I was playing in a 100NL game in SoCal and it was about 7 regs and 1 guy I never played with. They were all pretty bad players, but this one new guy was REALLY bad and this really solidified my reasoning for it.
A hand begins the kid in EP folds and we have like 6 limpers to the flop, I am on the BTN w/ KTo. Flop comes K65 two spades. BB leads out for 25 into pot of 13 and I raise him ALL-IN (I have him covered). Pot is now 163 and BB has ~100 behind. BB tanks for literally 2min and then mucks face up 78 spades. He has 14 outs twice and says "I wasn't getting the right odds to call that".
THEN THIS NEW KID STARTS TO EDUCATE MY FISH, I'm thinking WTF....
The kid asks, "But if you have 15 outs then you're mathematically ahead and odds wouldn't matter, right?" And the BB explained how he just didn't get it and you ALWAYS need pot odds when on a draw. The kid started to turn a little red. And starts to make BETS with MY FISH (who all firmly believe it's impossible to have more than 16 outs) that he can think of a situation with 21 outs AND THEN TELLS THEM without a bet. They disagree and ARGUE with him and HE STILL insists on educating my FISH - where the f*** did this guy come from??? At least he dumped like 6 buy-ins before he left....
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Originally Posted by smody121
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I was playing in a 100NL game in SoCal and it was about 5 regs and 3 guys I never played with. They were all pretty bad players, but this really solidified my reasoning for it.
A hand begins where I'm in EP I think and fold with something like 6 limpers to the flop. Flop comes K65 two spades. BB leads out for 25 into pot of 13 and gets raised all in by BTN who has him covered. Pot is now 163 as BB has ~100 behind. BB tanks for literally 2min and then mucks face up 78 spades. He had probably 15 outs twice and says "I wasn't getting the right odds to call that".
I'm slightly tilted, but ask, "But if you have 15 outs then you're mathematically ahead and odds wouldn't matter, right?" And he explained how I just didn't get it and you ALWAYS need pot odds when on a draw. I was slightly more tilted.
Another man who wasn't involved then chimes in with the money line: "You know it's impossible to have more than 16 outs in Hold'em". Half the table nods and a couple say "oh yea, I heard that. It's good to know odds".
So I proceed to start tryin to get takers on a prop bet that I can point out a situation where you can have 21 outs on a flop and 25 on the turn and nobody would bite. I shrug and tell him 22 vs JTss on a 985ssx board gives you 21 outs to beat the ducks.
A 4th man now chimes in. "No, you're double counting the straight and over cards. It's more like 14 outs now". This tilted me a lot. I tried to explain by counting each card one by one but they kept giving me a blank stare like I was speaking Mandarin.
During this whole exchange I was getting more and more tilted, and within about a 10 hand span I donk off 4 buy ins, not really paying attn. to the play just tryin to prove my point. In retrospect it could have been a tablewide conspiracy to tilt and then busto me 4 times over in which case bravo sirs, you've won this round.