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Old 09-23-2011, 01:27 PM   #176
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2. When there's a chopped pot
- if the board is A22 J 5 and I have A-10 and the other player hasA-9 , but both he as well as the dealer doesn't notice it's a chop, the other player mucks his cards and someone says something and the player retrieves his cards before they reach the muck and are still live. It might be considered "angling" but I always open my cards face up and the dealer's job is to push the pot to the winner; if someone wants to muck then I won't object to it.
That's not angling - that's cheating - if the hand was properly tabled. Cards speak is the rule.

It is every player's responsibility to ensure that the pot is awarded correctly once hands are tabled. I've corrected a dealer that was pushing me a full pot in this exact same scenario. I always ensure a pot is correctly pushed once showdown occurs regardless of my interest in the pot.

If a player chooses to muck instead of table their hand (in which case you wouldn't even know it's a chop because neither you nor the dealer saw the hand) then "one player to a hand" is in play. Nobody should tell the player that's mucking anything.
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Old 09-23-2011, 02:44 PM   #177
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He opened the hand and then mucked it. The dealer went to grab the cards. I didn't say anything not because i was trying to "cheat" but because i didnt notice myself it was a chopped pot. But then before the dealer could fully grab both cards and officially muck them, someone said it was a chop and the guy retrieved his cards and tbey were still deemed live. I learned alot about this incident and going forward , dealers make mistakesnall the time and its up to yourself to protect from those errors.
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Old 09-23-2011, 11:29 PM   #178
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Re: Live poker pet peeves.

When the flop comes like A-A-X and some one who has already folded says "Man! I wish I wouldn't have folded my pocket aces, da hur da hur da hur!" Seriously, just STFU.

Previous pet peeve kind of leads me to this one. The flop will come 8h-10h-Jh and someone, who again is not in the hand, says something like "Queen-9 of hearts wouldn't be too bad of a hand right now!" No kidding buddy. I didn't know I was playing with ****ing Sherlock Holmes.
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Old 09-24-2011, 12:07 AM   #179
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Players who sit there and watch another player look at his hand as above for 5 full minutes without calling a clock.
This plus same player who is in the hand Re-Tanks after initial tanker takes 5 minutes....WTF was the Re-Tanker doing for the 5 minutes where he has to Re-tank light

****ers
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Old 09-24-2011, 01:20 AM   #180
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It is every player's responsibility to ensure that the pot is awarded correctly once hands are tabled.
sorry homes this is 0% true.

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Old 09-24-2011, 02:15 AM   #181
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That's not angling - that's cheating - if the hand was properly tabled. Cards speak is the rule.

It is every player's responsibility to ensure that the pot is awarded correctly once hands are tabled. I've corrected a dealer that was pushing me a full pot in this exact same scenario. I always ensure a pot is correctly pushed once showdown occurs regardless of my interest in the pot.

If a player chooses to muck instead of table their hand (in which case you wouldn't even know it's a chop because neither you nor the dealer saw the hand) then "one player to a hand" is in play. Nobody should tell the player that's mucking anything.
Reaaaaaalllly?

So lets say you have 77. The board is 7h6xKhAx. You get 200 bbs allin versus a villain. River comes the 8c. You turn over your set. and villain goes 'Nice hand, I missed my flush' and TABLES T9hh not realizing he hit the straight. The dealer also doesn't notice, and starts pushing you the massive pot. If some random guy who wasn't even in the hand goes 'Oh, wait. That guy has a straight.' You're just going to nod and say "Good job, sir. It is your responsibility to make sure the correct tables hand wins! i applaud you!". I highly doubt that.
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Old 09-24-2011, 07:01 AM   #182
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Reaaaaaalllly?

So lets say you have 77. The board is 7h6xKhAx. You get 200 bbs allin versus a villain. River comes the 8c. You turn over your set. and villain goes 'Nice hand, I missed my flush' and TABLES T9hh not realizing he hit the straight. The dealer also doesn't notice, and starts pushing you the massive pot. If some random guy who wasn't even in the hand goes 'Oh, wait. That guy has a straight.' You're just going to nod and say "Good job, sir. It is your responsibility to make sure the correct tables hand wins! i applaud you!". I highly doubt that.
Um yes. Once both hands have been tabled it's every player's responsibility to correct a dealer if he's shipping a pot to a losing hand even if they weren't in the hand.
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Old 09-24-2011, 12:15 PM   #183
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He opened the hand and then mucked it. The dealer went to grab the cards. I didn't say anything not because i was trying to "cheat" but because i didnt notice myself it was a chopped pot. But then before the dealer could fully grab both cards and officially muck them, someone said it was a chop and the guy retrieved his cards and tbey were still deemed live. I learned alot about this incident and going forward , dealers make mistakesnall the time and its up to yourself to protect from those errors.
As described ("I did not notice the chop") you would be in the clear. That hand went down exactly as it was supposed to when the other player spoke up.

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sorry homes this is 0% true.
I'm not your homes, bro.

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Reaaaaaalllly?

So lets say you have 77. The board is 7h6xKhAx. You get 200 bbs allin versus a villain. River comes the 8c. You turn over your set. and villain goes 'Nice hand, I missed my flush' and TABLES T9hh not realizing he hit the straight. The dealer also doesn't notice, and starts pushing you the massive pot. If some random guy who wasn't even in the hand goes 'Oh, wait. That guy has a straight.' You're just going to nod and say "Good job, sir. It is your responsibility to make sure the correct tables hand wins! i applaud you!". I highly doubt that.
Cheaters ITT. Hey, it's your conscience but I'll be right there stopping the dealer from pushing you or me an illegitimate pot. If you need to cheat to win poker then you aren't really winning at life.

If you have a problem with that I don't want you in my game. I won't play in a game that permits what you advocate.

Not that Robert's Rules is the only authority, but it's pretty well recognized as a de facto standard for poker rules. Read the bolded part.

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3. Any player, dealer, or floorperson who sees an incorrect amount of chips put into the pot, or an error about to be made in awarding a pot, has an ethical obligation to point out the error. Please help keep mistakes of this nature to a minimum.
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Old 09-24-2011, 01:39 PM   #184
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Reaaaaaalllly?

So lets say you have 77. The board is 7h6xKhAx. You get 200 bbs allin versus a villain. River comes the 8c. You turn over your set. and villain goes 'Nice hand, I missed my flush' and TABLES T9hh not realizing he hit the straight. The dealer also doesn't notice, and starts pushing you the massive pot. If some random guy who wasn't even in the hand goes 'Oh, wait. That guy has a straight.' You're just going to nod and say "Good job, sir. It is your responsibility to make sure the correct tables hand wins! i applaud you!". I highly doubt that.
Yeah, most players actually will. I did it for a $400 pot once because it is the right thing to do. If the player flashes them at me and mucks, that's on him, but once the cards are tabled the money goes to the best hand.
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Old 09-24-2011, 02:09 PM   #185
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On more than one occasion, I have been accused of slow rolling when in actuality I was contemplating raising with non-nut hands such as baby flushes, low straight, etc. It kinda tilts the hell out of me when they accuse me of slow rolling.

Yes, sir, I am slow rolling you because I am trying to figure out if your fishy enough to call with worse if I raise with a non nut hand.
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Old 09-24-2011, 02:10 PM   #186
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After seeing the quote from RRoP I stand corrected.

For the record though, I was not defending it or saying I do it (I've honestly never had a situation like that happen). I was just saying most people would still be pissed if a pot was being (incorrectly) shipped in their direction and somebody out of the hand spoke up. I've generally just gone by the 'Don't talk when not in the hand rule.' so it just didn't seem right.

pa3lsvt - Go **** yourself. I never said I had done that, I was just stating my opinion that people still wouldn't be happy during my example. Don't call me a cheater. Don't want me in your game? Whoopy-freaking-doo. I don't want to play at a game that labels somebody a cheater by one paragraph taken out of context on an internet forums. Seriously, go play in traffic.
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Old 09-25-2011, 06:26 PM   #187
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Re: Live poker pet peeves.

I got peeved when I heard a so called "professional" make the following statement:

"you've got to gamble in this game to make $, it's the only way you're going to make $ everyday. You'll make $ in the long run"

Am I crazy? does any1 agree with this? I'm peeved because I'm slightly jealous at the fact that I see her play stupid and make $ every time I see her...
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Old 09-25-2011, 07:20 PM   #188
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Re: Live poker pet peeves.

On "how much have you got?":

It may be true that you are asking this to get a read. I doubt you get much of one, honestly, but whatever floats your boat.

That said, the rest of the poker playing community has no responsibility to read your mind and realize you already know your opponent's stack size. Especially since we are all so sick of players who posture and ask people's stack sizes all the time thus slowing up the game.

So if, to speed up the game, someone says "he's got $135" bejind and denies you your amazing soul read, sorry, I have little sympathy. Just take your action and let's get on with the game.
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Old 09-25-2011, 11:09 PM   #189
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On "how much have you got?":

It may be true that you are asking this to get a read. I doubt you get much of one, honestly, but whatever floats your boat.

That said, the rest of the poker playing community has no responsibility to read your mind and realize you already know your opponent's stack size. Especially since we are all so sick of players who posture and ask people's stack sizes all the time thus slowing up the game.

So if, to speed up the game, someone says "he's got $135" bejind and denies you your amazing soul read, sorry, I have little sympathy. Just take your action and let's get on with the game.
the douche who needs to be table captain and announce the stacks is soooo easy to counter. i actually like it because it gives me the chance to make the counter move which provides a 10x more reliable read.
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Old 09-25-2011, 11:46 PM   #190
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i will turn myself in to the commerce management and police tomorrow, fully admit to staying quiet when i see mistakes, lets see what happens.

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Regardless of whether or not you'll be punished, the rules say you should make sure the best hand gets the pot if it's been tabled and you have a moral obligation not to cheat people out of their money in such a way.
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Old 09-25-2011, 11:55 PM   #191
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Regardless of whether or not you'll be punished, the rules say you should make sure the best hand gets the pot if it's been tabled and you have a moral obligation not to cheat people out of their money in such a way.
rules? moral obligation? CHEAT??? do you really want to get into this with me? it wont end well...
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Old 09-26-2011, 12:06 AM   #192
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the douche who needs to be table captain and announce the stacks is soooo easy to counter. i actually like it because it gives me the chance to make the counter move which provides a 10x more reliable read.
I don't even know what this means.

But having said that, I've seen people who are in no way table captains help estimate stacks. You see, people like the game to move along and soul reading over a hundred bucks is a waste of everyone's time.
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Old 09-26-2011, 09:29 AM   #193
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maybe but it also violates one player to a hand. Even the dealer can not help answer that question, only the player involved in the hand may answer it, if they choose. Players are entitled to a clear view of a player's stack(s).
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Old 09-26-2011, 10:39 AM   #194
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Grinders who plays 1 hand in 10 orbits complaining that table has no action. LOL
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Old 09-26-2011, 11:55 AM   #195
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maybe but it also violates one player to a hand. Even the dealer can not help answer that question, only the player involved in the hand may answer it, if they choose. Players are entitled to a clear view of a player's stack(s).
You apparently don't know what one player to a hand means. It has nothing to do with estimating stack sizes.
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Old 09-26-2011, 05:45 PM   #196
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maybe but it also violates one player to a hand. Even the dealer can not help answer that question, only the player involved in the hand may answer it, if they choose. Players are entitled to a clear view of a player's stack(s).
Sorry, not always true. In some rooms the dealer is allowed/required to count a player's stack if asked to.
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..... If some random guy who wasn't even in the hand goes 'Oh, wait. That guy has a straight.' You're just going to nod and say "Good job, sir. It is your responsibility to make sure the correct tables hand wins! i applaud you!". I highly doubt that.
Well, I probably wouldn't be quite that enthusiastic about it, but, yes, I would nod, say OK and not object to the other player's correct reading of the hands, and then give the pot to the winning hand, and have done so many times. (If you play PLO8 much, you'll see this happen fairly often.) (I have also been that "random guy", and sometimes have been yelled at for "interfering".)
I understand that some people think they should STFU if not in the hand, or simply don't want to get involved, but I agree with RRoP on this. I think the best tabled hand should win, and I have no problem whatsoever with people not in the hand correcting a dealer/player error in reading tabled hands.
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rules? moral obligation? CHEAT??? do you really want to get into this with me? it wont end well...
"The cards speak at showdown" is a rule. If both hands are tabled and the dealer awards the pot to the wrong hand, there's a big issue. Do you have a moral obligation to try to stop the ahole next to you from assaulting a dealer for bad cards? I think that if you have the physical capacity, then yes, you do have a moral obligation. Likewise, do you have a moral obligation to stop the injustice of one person's money being given to someone else? I think you do. If the dealer were to pick up your stack while you were walking and hand it to another player, would you not expect someone to tell you? What if the floor said "nah, we don't call for video replays, sorry about that."? How is giving playerA's pot to playerB any different?
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I understand that some people think they should STFU if not in the hand, or simply don't want to get involved, but I agree with RRoP on this. I think the best tabled hand should win, and I have no problem whatsoever with people not in the hand correcting a dealer/player error in reading tabled hands.
+1 I feel the same way. if players are being combative about it, I might clam up, but I think the winning hand should stand.

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What bothers you the most at a live table?

- when someone says things like well played when a monkey couldve won money in the same situation. Saw this last session.
Flop 2 k q rainbow.

They get it in on the turn. Its a set of deuces vs. Kq. Everyone ay the table is like wow nicely played. Way to go on that one. Congratulating people on being on the good end of a cooler. Awesome.

- having the dealer stare at me when I win a 10 dollar pot that they rake the **** out of bcuz I didn't tip a dollar
Generally speaking, nothing bothers me at the table. I absolutely love being impervious to all the live stuff that is constantly happening at the table. I enjoy the calmness. If something starts to bother me, I take a walk. If it still bothers me when I return, it probably means I'm tired, so I go home.

My A game is just about good enough to be profitable at my stakes. Anything less is -EV for me. My A game depends on being completely calm and detached. The more I play my A game, the easier it becomes to maintain my A game. Indulging in petty distractions is too costly for me.
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