Yes I hate this so much. Also when I've got a strong hand and call someone's all-in, that person is supposed to show first, but they almost never do. I typically wait about 2 seconds to see if they're going to show then flip over my hand. I don't know if they aren't aware of showdown order or are just trying to hide information but it's annoying I have to choose between being rude by demanding they show first (which I never do) or just showing first myself and letting them either muck or slowroll me.

And when they're supposed to show first but won't, and I show my set or w/e, and they slowly flip over the nuts, oh my God I want to strangle people.

Some wit described the phenomenon as a 'card funeral.' Be respectful.

Someday I'm going to be quick enough to remember to do what I have always wanted to do when this happens. Stand up, take off my hate, and hum "taps".

This. Also people who turn one card over and expect it to play by itself.

So right now at Motorcity Casino in Detroit has a quads over quads BBJ at $840,000. It's several hundreds of thousands higher than the last time it hit.

Pet peeve: The 1/2 gamboolers jumping up and screaming because they won a $300 all in pot. For me the BBJ factor doesn't peeve me much because I'm there to grind and if the impossible happens then awesome but getting everyone else worked up and generally just being obnoxious for a few hundred definitely peeves me.

Sounds amazing.

Cardrooms where dealers are instructed not to announce bets without being asked, and especially the explanation why (always some variation of OPTAH)

Game is actually kind of dog**** right now. Lots of nit types just trying to be at the table when it hits. Short stacking like crazy.

Causes really long lists too, which are always irritating.

In this thread there are a lot of pet peeves that I agree with. There are, however, a lot of other things that aren't all that important, and in some cases, are in your favor if you're a serious player.

I recently watched a video of a Ted Talk from Dylan Evans. Evans interviewed what he called "expert gamblers" to see what made them different from casual players. Using poker as an example, he talked about how some poker players become very rich.

He said that the expert players aren't in it for the rush. There aren't in it to have fun. Evans said that for the experts, it's about "a cold, rational pursuit of profit."

I love that phrase. That's exactly the way I look at it. As long as the other players at my table aren't holding up the game, I don't really care what they do or say, or even how they smell.

I said earlier that a case like that can be in the player's favor. It can be, if you're not the one who tilts. If you're on Smelly Guy's left and you're tilting, and the player on SG's right doesn't tilt, the guy who stays focused has an edge over you. Last year I had a player yell at me for several minutes after I knocked him out of a tournament. I ignored him. I won the pot and eliminated a player. That's what I'm there to do.

What if the player is an obnoxious jerk, or a racist, or is leering at the women? I don't care and neither should you. If you're black, you shouldn't care if he's a racist. If you're a woman, you shouldn't care if a guy is staring at your breasts. If you worry about those things you're not paying attention to the game.

I though about whether there is anything another player could do to tilt me and I couldn't think of anything. Then I thought, men don't like their family insulted. What if that happened? To use an extreme example, what if someone said that my wife was a whore?

As soon as I had that thought, I had the answer. I would ignore it.* When I go to a poker room, I won't let anyone or anything distract me from playing my best. It's not my job to defend my family's honor. My job is stay focused, get a nice cash, and bring home the money.

Here is the Ted Talk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jyokhjUCyk

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*When I told my wife that, she was shocked. But after she thought about it, she decided that I was right. It's all about the benjamins.

I think dealers don't generally enforce this because on average it moves faster the way it is. If a player is pretty sure he has a winner, he should show. If we enforce the showdown rule every hand, and all the players in the poker world everywhere adhere to this, you're going to see a lot better play and it's not because of all that "free information" out there. You'll see the worse players play a lot tighter because it's more likely that they are going to end up having to flip their hand up even if they miss.

I'll opt for letting terrible players save face.

I don't mind someone saying, "Good Call," or "You Win," instead of showing their hand.

What I do mind is someone saying, "Good Call," or "You Win," I show my hand, and they show a better hand, saying something along the lines of, "Oh, I thought it was no good."

Well, some of us want to make money AND have a pleasant experience. If you are willing to have a ****ty experience just to make some cash, then go into a normal, ****ty job that will pay you a stable income.

Poker has an appeal as a way to make a living because it's fun and enjoyable. If that's not the case, it becomes just like any other job.

PS - With that said, I do not make a living playing poker. I work in the journalism industry.

"You, Sir, have obviously met my wife."

Bumping an old post because I'm catching up on the thread. Worst example of this kind of thing I've encountered was some 55ish year old dude in a 4/8, who everytime I played with him, god forbid you sit next to him or he will tell you his folded hand every ****ing hand regardless of the board.

Willing? That's sort of right, but the way I think about it is that it's going to happen and I can't let it sidetrack me. When I'm in a live tournament that runs from about 1900 to 0001, there will be players drinking beer (or whatever) the entire five hours. Ten players, some of them drunk, with very different personalities, all jammed together at a poker table for several hours--what could possibly go wrong?

If they say "Good call" or "You win" and muck their cards, that's fine with me. I rarely ask to see the cards. But if they say "Good call" then wait for me to show first, then no. You bet, I called. You either show your cards first or muck them.

And, Shai Hulud, it's not "rude" to ask that the rules be followed. If a player calls your bet, you'd be expected to show first, and there's nothing wrong with expecting the same from others. By constantly giving in you're constantly giving away information without getting anything in return. And you don't have to "demand" anything. After a few seconds a good dealer will turn to the other player and ask him to show or muck. If the dealer doesn't, and just insists that someone show, I usually just politely point out "He bet." The dealer knows what that means.

Weird thing about this, I'm actually happy to show that I bluffed for meta reasons.

I wait if I think I'm often beat. But like if I have a nutted hand but not THE nuts I give it a couple seconds then show. Doesn't RRoP say if you have a hand you think is probably the winner to show at once?

sure it's been mentioned before..

last night, whole table waiting to catch seat 5 for 2+hrs, that was a complete fish and had about $800 (1/2 nl $200 max buy in) and new guy sits down, plays one orbit/2 hands, felts seat 5 and then plays/folds preflop one more hand.. racks up and leaves.

How do you win $800 from a player in 2 hands when you only start with $200?

First hand is three way all-in, rob

"I hate Jacks!" Ok, can I have them?

"So sick" after a standard beat.

I mention, in passing, dealers that are watching the football game and have to be woken up but my multi-decade experiment in trying to stop it has been an utter failure.

hand 1: 200 ai.. pot is $400

hand 2: 400 ai..pot is $800

What did he do with his last $200?