1) Room dependent as to start/end of the hand. Do you really think that security is interested in checking on a poker hand every 30 minutes ... especially in a large room. My main casino has 4 hour HH with start of hand rule, rarely do the cameras need to be checked for a ruling.

2) Certainly stakes do matter in some folks' decisions. I was berated the other day for not checking the Turn in 'hopes' of hitting a gutter Royal for $600 when I wanted $180 in value in a 2/5 game ... really?

3) The room will dictate to the Dealers on how to run the games. Certainly you may have a 'friendly' Dealer in a reg heavy room that is bucking for some extra tips but it will ultimately come down to the players 'colluding'. Is it really worth giving up 16% of a down to let OLC get on the board?

4) Depending on the room size QQQQx may hold up for 30 minutes. I saw an awesome 'feat' the other day. Buddy sells his 4-hour $250 HH to his other buddy for $240 with 15 minutes to go .. promptly hits a better hand with 2 minutes to go to steal it back!! GL

i wouldn't be happy about it, but probably wouldn't make a big deal about it. let the old lady get her $200 and then hopefully take it from her later.

You think she is leaving it on the table? No way. That $200 is going directly into her purse or pocket.

Hard Rock Hollywood fl, dealers are required to call floor if someone is tanking for high hand (will be disciplined if they dont). High hand when tanked is ineligible. I have witnesssed this, but i do not know the specific time allowed.

Seems to work pretty well.

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Played my first 1-3 NL this past weekend and won the high hand with a FH. I had no idea what was happening when the floor came at me with paperwork and invited me to spin a prize wheel...

You will find this a lot. Last week, one of the regs said, "I need a call and will pay you back." to a buddy when he needed the $10 min pot size.

Both of these are absolutely cheating. Who are they cheating? You. It is your money going to the promo fund.

I think it's funny how at 1-2 and other low stakes cheating is the standard... if you don't softplay OLC or let her wait her 5 minutes you come off as looking like a prick.

It is a horrible rule to have it be end of hand and not start. Also you are costing yourself equity not only in the 5 minutes but hurting your euqity in the high hand promo by giving her quads.

The fish have this idea that HH promos are the casino's money so let's all collude against the casino, right? But all that money comes from raking customers, and you're absolutely right, helping another player win the casino's money is decreasing your own equity for the promo along with every other player in the room.

you gotta better chance of getting them to believe in the EASTER BUNNY than to understand this concept.

^Lol I was in a game recently with a popular high hand promo and a player was angry about the PF raising and scolding a player who raised him saying "I don't want your money. I want the houses' money."

I love the HH chaser who gets greedy and bets his flopped set and when everyone folds they say "wait, please call".

I have heard of rooms where they run out the board, if all fold, and you have a draw to a HH. Not positive it's true.

Then wouldn't they have to run it out if you have Quads with a 3 kicker on the flop and everybody folds?

As to the OP, it is collusion to wait any amount of time. I would explain that to the old lady saying something like "I won't cheat for you" or "I won't collude at the table with anyone". I say this first because I want everyone to hear it. It is conceivable that it could affect somebody's future behavior.

If it gets heated I will just say "I am competing with you for the HH jackpot. If I get JJJJ I won't win it because I waited..."

But for me the underlying reason is I am trying to get more hands in not less hands... That I won't say aloud for many reasons. But this should be true for any winning player.

I worked in a room with a Monte Carlo board type high hand promotion. We had an issue one day where two players were all in and one turned up his hand showing the nut flush on the turn and another player was drawing dead so he just mucked his hand. Ordinarily I would just drop the stub and push the pot here, but the dealer decided to rabbit hunt and of course the river came giving the player the royal. The management ultimately ruled that the high hand was good because the players were all in and there was no more betting to be had, as a rule the policy became that in that situation you should put out the rest of the board solely for the purpose of the high hand promotion.

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rather than stand down your position and refuse, if you really wanted to be "that guy", why not just turn to the dealer and say "are you going to allow this"?

I'm fine with that with the all in.

I'm talking about the guy who bets his set and everyone folds and he turns it up and says "run it".
I tell him there's no callers. He says back home they run out the board for the HH.

That could work against you too. Holding ace deuce, the flop come three aces.
Can't bet everyone out and get the HH, the board will get run out and it's likely his kicker won't play.

Payed 2-5 yesterday for 11 hours ... Rake drop was $2100 during that span. Let's assume that all hands were max rake at $6 ... That means that another $350 went into the promo fund ...

That's a lot of cash being taken off the table! If I could run my business at $190 per hour I'd be playing a stake or 2 higher that's for sure!! GL

Yeesh that's $21 per person per hour. And where I play they do 2 + 5 so even worse.

It is a stupid rule. This is why at smartly run cardrooms, jackpots and promotions depend on when the hand started, not when it ended.

What business do you run?

Obviously it's not an auto mechanic or law office or any number of businesses that charge even higher rates. I mean, you pay $35 for a 10-minute oil change lol wat $210/hr those guys must be raking in the dough.

You're confusing what the casino - which includes the security guard out front and the cashiers and other people not directly involved in collecting money from you - with one person collecting $190/hr and casually throwing it on his giant pile of money.

Is $200/hr a lot of money coming off the table? It sure is. If you don't like it, there are always home games. Just convince a bunch of fish to bring hundreds of dollars to your house and donk it off to you. Otherwise, you pay the $20-25/hr to outsource the player pool ID and security and scantily clad women bringing drinks to you.

He runs a charity poker room in the Detroit area IIRC. They have lots of weird rules and laws that artificially limit its profitability.

I have two manufacturing facilities ..
Small aluminum castings...typically quoting $60/labor hour 'might' beat the competition
CNC machine/fabrication shop ... $60-$90/labor hour

You are correct, all data has a point of reference, but there is no confusion here as to what might be entailed into a company's overhead costs! So you can imagine my glee if we were to start turning jobs at $190 per labor hour.

Charity poker in Michigan ...
1) Max $15,000 in chips sales per day per charity per 4 day period, max 4 days per week per location.
2) Supplier (Dealers, tables, cards) is limited to 45% of the first $2000 ($900) in rake minus rent, which must be a separate entity. Charity keeps all rake above $2000.
3) Locations may run two charities in one day, but must take an hour break between stop/start points.
4) Room must rake a minimum of 13.3% of it's sales to 'max out' and then provide 'free' services until closing.

So best case scenario (free rent, full rake) is that a Supplier grosses $7200 per week per location. Now, yes, there's a business model that works under these restrictions but rarely do you have a business that is capped on revenue regardless of the effort put into it ... and having to turn away business at the door when you have a 'good' day ... and provide your service at 'no charge' once you hit your cap. GL

Berate her as you call the clock lol