I *think* the idea is that you Rules & Etiquette would be pretty similar to what LCP is now.

I "know" the suggested name stinks.

B&M or Casino Poker.

LOL. Not taking sides here; just clarifying. I put *think* in because I'm not 100% certain of Rapini's thinking behind the change. I'm not entirely sold on the idea, but it's worthy of discussion.

Actually, might as well post here what I posted in the mod forum earlier:

Live Poker

Live Cash Games
Live Tournaments
Home Games

looks about right imo

I agree that some 'interesting' threads may not get started (or read) as much without a 'general/broad' tab to put/see them. I've always wondered why there was a "Live Casino Poker" tab and yet the various games (NL, L, Tournament) also had their own tabs ... but aren't called out as strat tabs.

I like: Live Poker
- Live Cash
- Live Tournament
- Home Games
- Poker Venues/Regional Communities
- Poker Tells/Behavior
- Twitch/Stream/TV

Most of Twitch/Streams are 'live' initially and consist of 'real' people around a table, but there are also plenty of online players who live stream as well. May warrant staying in 'General' but make it a combined tab for more traffic.

I'm torn on the Rules tab since there are some differences between Robert's and TDA and some traffic may be missed if those threads aren't combined into the cash or tournament tabs.

Poker Tells are mainly 'Live' as well .. tough choices but worth discussion. GL

I don't think tournament poker should be in here, there's already a whole other section for it. There are also a couple other threads on Vlogs/twitch, but there's not too much traffic in them anyway.

+1

Leave as is.

If I assume you mean forums when you say tabs, this mostly makes sense, but I'm not entirely sure what you mean in the last sentence. We have numerous strat forums for different games/stakes, and there's also one for live games.

No, there's not.

Here's what we have now:

No-Limit strategy section, with multiple forums.
Limit strategy section, with multiple forums.
Tournament strategy section, with multiple forums.

Internet Poker section, with multiple forums. This is basically the online equivalent of this forum.

What we're proposing to do is pull this forum out of the "General Poker Discussion" section it's buried in now, and make a new section, much like there is one for Internet Poker.

There is also currently an "MTTc - Live" forum that is the tournament equivalent of this forum, currently in the Tournament strategy section.

The idea is to bring the three existing live poker discussion forums and bring them all under one section.

If people want to discuss rules, venues, or events in live poker, they'd have one section to come to, just like they currently do for online poker.

One inconsistency that would remain is that the strategy forums are organized by game and stake, rather than live/online. It certainly wouldn't make sense to divide up our rules/venues forums by game and stake. One could argue for separating strategy forums by live/online, but I don't think that's a change we're looking to make right now. Strategy forums and these discussion forums are very different things, and I think that inconsistency in the division is OK.

Hopefully that made sense.

/rambling post

Here's something that was proposed in the mod forum yesterday:

Live Poker Communities

Rules and Etiquette (main forum of LCP)
Communities (combining Venues and Communities)
Tournament Talk (MTTc-Live)
Home Poker

Communities isn't working for me, as it wouldn't be where people would instinctively look for a thread about the Borgata, for example. Venues & Communities, maybe. But if one wanted to make that a top level forum now, I like this in general. Perhaps something more like this:

Live Poker Discussion

Rules & Etiquette
Venues & Communities
Tournament Talk
Home Poker

With the possibility of tacking these two onto the end:

Cash Strategy
Tournament Strategy

I'd be OK with combining Venues & Communities.

I definitely think we should have strategy links under the actual "Live Poker" forums. That would help to cut down on errant strategy posts in these forums. It also would be good to have something like a Rules/Etiquette/Venues link below strategy groupings to direct them here.

I think you're the one who made the suggestion initially in the mod forum.

To be clear, I'm not necessarily against this forum staying much how it is now (LCP with Venues and Communities subforums), but if we change the name/focus a bit to something like R&E, it no longer seems suitable to have Venues/Communities as subs, as no one would think to look for them under R&E.

I'm definitely warming to the idea of bring V&C up to the top level with this forum, though.

OK .. It's a bit clearer now .. but .. If you look at the 'Forums' column where the various 'tabs' are located (un-expanded) the word strategy is nowhere to be found. And even when you open a forum tab to see the sub-list(s) you don't see 'online' 'live' or 'strategy' in the sub-forum titles in more than a couple of places.

When I first came to this site I was more LLS NL but I found that a lot of online posts were sneaking in there and/or a lot of the thread posts seemed to have online tones to them. Looking today it seems the titles are more 'live' than online so perhaps I will wonder back over there a bit. Separating strategy and general discussion is a good thing IMO ... Perhaps I didn't realize how separate they already were supposed to be!

I like: Live Poker
- Live Cash Rules and Discussion
- Live Tournament Rules and Discussion
- Home Games
- Poker Venues/Regional Communities
- Poker Tells/Behavior
- Twitch/Stream/TV ?

I find it interesting, although it technically makes sense, that the Poker Masters/PokerGo discussions ended up in NV&G rather than Twitch Online Poker area. That's why I would look to combine Twitch/Stream/TV into a 'tab' somewhere where all forms of 'broadcasted' poker could be combined. GL

Yes, they'd all be their own equal-footing forums. I think V&C would become even more popular combined than those two forums are now separately exactly because there likely are people who don't know those subfourms exist now under LCP.

There are so many threads that wouldn't even fit into any of these. The chip stack thread, live poker pet peeves, tipping containment thread, the breakroom employee thread, just to name a couple off the top of my head.

why not just put the venues forum into the main list with General Poker, with Regional Communities as a sub section of that one

+1

Also has anyone checked the volume to make sure there would be enough traffic in each of those forums?

Yes.

You've touched on a concern that I have as well. It's not an issue of the threads not fitting, though - Rules & Etiquette would be the new name of this forum, and threads that are here now would remain here. But from the name, I can see why you would have that impression, and that's what I'm worried will happen for others. We're trying to make things simpler for people who are new to the forums, and I wonder if that name would make it more confusing.

We're trying to get away from a big catch-all category with 13 (or after your suggested addition, 14) different forums, many of which aren't related to one another.

You can get a better look at the overall idea here:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/5...ssion-1683262/

I think I must not be making myself clear enough with my description; sorry if I'm causing confusion. All of these forums already exist; in one case, we'd be putting two forums together. No new forums are being created.

Here, I'll go through the longest list I proposed:

Live Poker Discussion

Rules & Etiquette - This is the forum we're in right now; currently Live Casino Poker
Venues & Communities - These are two subforums of this one; Poker Venues, and Regional Communities. We're talking about merging these two forums, and "moving them up" one level, so they would no longer be a subforum of this one.
Tournament Talk - This is MTTc-Live, and it is currently in the Tournament category, slotted in among strategy forums. As a result, it gets a number of strategy posts even though it isn't a strat forum. And there is a lot of crossover with LCP and Poker Venues, as many of the same venues are being discussed in each.
Home Poker - Same name as it currently is.
Cash Strategy - This would be nothing more than a link to the existing live cash strat forum.
Tournament Strategy - This would be nothing more than a link to the existing tournament strat forums.

Hopefully that helps.[/QUOTE]

Has anyone in this thread said this is a good name?

My impression is that this is just the dog and pony show before you guys do what you wanted to do in the first place.

I'm not really into dog and pony shows, and considering we're not even decided on what we want to do, this seems impossible.

Although I should clarify that. I'm pretty decided on us having a new Live Poker category (not set on that exact name), and having this forum, MTTc-Live (definitely with a new name), and Home Poker contained within it. It makes a lot of sense, and I'd say that it has fairly good support. I'd need to see a pretty compelling reason to go away from this part of the reorganization at this point.

What's not decided at all yet is:

1) The renaming of this forum. I feel it should be tweaked a little; if we have a new category of Live Poker, Live Poker Discussion, or something like that, a forum name of Live Casino Poker is fairly redundant and doesn't add a lot to an outsider's understanding of what this forum is. Rules & Etiquette is good in that it's descriptive of the majority of threads in this forum, but it doesn't encompass everything, and thus may lead people to believe they can't post some things in this forum that would be fine. And I also get that some people might be sick of name changes.

2) The combining of Venues & Communities, and making it a "top-level" forum. I like the idea, but I'm certainly not married to it.

3) Adding the strat forum links to this category. It might be helpful, but it might also be confusing/too cluttered. It's something we could always try for a while, and remove later if it's problematic. Or we could start without them, and add them later if we thought they would help.

This is completely incorrect. We've spent months discussing it in the mod forum. I'm not sure who "you guys" refers to (all mods? site admins?), but if "we" just were going to do what we wanted, "we" wouldn't have even bothered to post this thread.

We've had trouble coming up with a good name for this LCP forum. The mods are ambivalent about LCP as a name - it is boring and fairly non-descript, but does function as a catchall. I don't think any of us like B&M - it has a certain nostalgia as a turn-of-phrase, but not much else going for it. R&E seemed like it was worthy of discussion at least, and I think it captures 80% of what we talk about here better than LCP does, but as others have noted it fails to capture the other 20% at all, which is a danger.

1- MTTc-L -> Live Tournament Event Discussion ? MTT Event Discussion ?

2- I feel the same way. I've long been in favor of at least combining them, because I never go into RC at all, but others may feel differently. Making them top level may just make them more visible, but we don't have a lot of problems with people posting in the wrong places now either.

3- I like including them. We do get a fair number of strat posts here, which maybe this would help.

Then this is where you are going astray. Everyone agrees that poker in a public card room and home games is different from a discussion point of view - why else have a "Home Poker" forum. And if you have that you need a counterpart for casino poker. Maybe a different name - although I always liked "Brick and Mortar" - but something that conveys "this is where we talk about things related to poker played in public card rooms".

"Rules and Etiquette" will not only leave potentially interesting threads that now appear in LCP but don't fit under the RnE heading, it will siphon off some from Home Poker. You will end up with only one active forum that serves neither population as well as the current set up.

I don't think I am going astray, because I mean that us three mods don't like B&M as a forum name, and as far as I know, we don't.

Half of people, especially youngsters, don't even know what "brick and mortar" means. I personally like it because I like using 10 cent words and other terms of art, but as a means of clearly conveying the purpose of a forum to the general public, it fails the test.

I do agree that including the word "casino" helps draw a distinction from home games. I also don't disagree with your other points, which is why I made them myself in my post.

yes about 10 years ago when 2p2 was about 99% internet players, B&M had it's day. Today live poker is more popular and internet poker is more regulated and tougher, not to mention most people won't understand what B&M means, so why not just take out the word "casino" and leave the forum name "Live Poker"?

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Brick and mortar is used commonly when talking about online vs, well, brick and mortar stores.

It sounds like the desire is to give LCP a new name which makes it clear to a new user that strategy discussions go elsewhere.

One idea could be to split LCP into a Rules & Etiquette forum and a LCP Communities forum. The latter can include Regional Communities as a subforum. (Venues would be a separate forum.) It could be an appropriate place to file trip reports from people who don't want to start a blog.

Right now, where should someone post a story about hitting a bunch of poker rooms on a trip to Southern California similar to the trip reports in the Las Vegas Lifestyle forum? Some people love reading those types of threads, so creating a home for those could drive additional traffic.