In the bolded, you described it as an accident, yet you wanted it to stand? Hope that accident doesn't happen to you.

I let him take it back. For a few reasons.

- Prevents you ever being angled
- Balances your range
- Keeps everyone happy (Not worth starting a grudge over one bet)
- Maybe you get the benefit of the doubt in the future if you ever make a mistake

The dealer should not be asking the other players in the hand what the ruling should be. They should call the floor and ask for a ruling.

In this case, I don't think it was inappropriate for a player not in the hand to speak up and suggest that the other players in the hand should not be suggesting a ruling. He's not violating OPTAH, he's a disinterested party actually protecting other players who do have an interest in the pot from being forced to violate OPTAH. But I'm not sure the player should be instructing the dealer on what the ruling should be.

In general, if a player puts chips into the pot in a way that is obviously unintentional, that doesn't constitute a bet. (For example, if a player knock over one of his stacks and some chips cross the betting line.). So if it was obvious from his physical action that the bet was unintentional (e.g. the chips really were stuck together, or one chip flew out of his hand in a different direction), he should be able to correct it.

There's lots of slimeballs, scumbags, and asshats in all walks of life. Glad you recognize yourself as one.

I still think youre looking at this wrong. If you make mistakes like this then just consider it an expensive lesson, because there's really no excuse for action to be misheard, wrong chips to be thrown in, etc. State your action, whether it's calling, raising, and the amounts, and make sure you get confirmation when you do.

No, you're looking at it wrong. Not everything is as clear as you think it is.

Let's say you say your bet in a voice that would have been clear in an empty room, but just at that moment the next table over hits a jackpot and everyone yells. Half of your table doesn't hear your declaration.

Is there really no excuse for action to be misheard?

Now, of course, it's quite true that players can MINIMIZE the excuses needed. But the attitude that everything would be fine if people were clearer is ultimately counterproductive because it's fragile - as soon as you encounter a reasonable exception the whole system falls apart because you've left no room for judgement.

i always get confirmation from the dealer. For instance here's a common one for me, whenever I go allin. Because of the various hand gestures that could be interpreted as a check, or the potential for you to fumble while sliding in 5 stacks, or if you said "allin" but started putting in stacks individually and someone thought you really just bet $100 into an $800 pot, etc etc etc. So I wait until the dealer makes eye contact with me, and then I say "im allin" and wait for HIM to confirm so that I can then re-confirm with a nod acknowledging that yes I just said allin.

Sure, but if some external noise drowns out a verbal declaration, nobody knows what they missed. They just see you throw out an oversized chip and assume you call (even though you said raise). Or they see you throw out a single chip and assume you minbet (even though you said all in).

In most Casinos I play at, the chips are pretty disgusting and have a tendency to stick together. I'll pretty much always error on the side of "taking it back" in cases like this where an extra chip stuck and dramatically increased the bet. **** happens, chips stick together, no need to be an A-Hole about it.

I would say "let him take it back"' reason being if it looks like two chips stuck together, let him take it back, big deal. It's better to take the high road, I would like the floor to rule in my favour if I dropped a chip or whatever.

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Also frankly I don't much care if we go 4 ways to the turn when I have middle set. But either way let the guy off if it's up to me.

In the example I made, it was a novice player who said it in a low soft voice and tossed out a single chip.
the players at the other end were having a conversation telling bad beats about yesterdays tourney.
new players do the things you mentioned all the time

Is it possible that a player could do this looking for some insta-folds and when the the insta-folds don't come correct his bet?

Is it possible that inaction be as valuable as action sometimes?

Is the timing of the correction maybe something we should consider? If the player is obviously trying to grab back that chip in the air or instantly grabbing for it might we feel differently them the player who tosses it out pauses for a moment and then snags it back? Or worse (tosses it out and then only corrects it after the bet or raise has been announced or counted).

How would you feel about a player facing a bet and saying ... "I call .... wait I mean I'm all-in?"

Wow, seriously hope that is not common practice for dealers there. If I heard of one of my dealers doing this, they would be in my office for a serious convo.

In your position I would have not done anything except ask for a floor to make the decision. My response to dealer: "I'm not sure, I'd prefer to have a floor rule on this one."

Any time a dealer isn't sure what to do, I remind them that that they can call for the floor, even if I know the floor is going to rule against my immediate short-term financial benefits.

All the card rooms and players in my area would let him take it back as long as there was no action behind him and he was doing his best to correct it right away. If it was something that he was commonly doing the patience would wear thin and he'd probably not be given the benefit of the doubt anymore.

Let him take it back, but never assume other players will handle it the same way

I should quit being surprised at situations that come up where NOBODY is capable of doing the right thing. My faith in humanity dwindles every time I hear a story like this.

He obviously made an error betting and BECAUSE YOU HAVE A SET you want him held to his mistake? Awful.

A dealer decided to let the table vote on how a rule should be interpreted? Awful.

People NO LONGER IN THE HAND want to vote as well? Awful.

The dealer CERTAINLY and every player SHOULD know to call the floor for a ruling in a spot where doing what is reasonable is not apparent to everyone involved.

Come on people.

Don't be a *****, be cool about him taking back the bet. If it is clear he is not angling and he did not verbalize. In reality the dealer should rule the bet stands but I am ok with flexibility here. I do not think there is a way that you can steer the action in a direction that overly benefits you for $100.

you're right but calling the dealer slows down the game, which the dealer is trying to avoid in order to keep the game going and make more tips. Calling the floor will usually waste 3 minutes.

In this instance I would let the player take back the $100. He didn't mean to do it, and if you are a regular in the room and enforce him to leave it in there it will have negative consequences later on. Also it's just bad karma.

Yeah, you should. You should have just called and not let the preflop bettor off the hook. Otherwise, well played.