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Old 02-19-2019, 03:47 PM   #26
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A note about TDA vs RROP for cash games. Bob Ciaffone, the author of RRop, stated that his intention was to work to have the game have a universal set of rules, and so he strove to make his rules compatible with TDA rules. Here is a quote from him on his website

" I am the leading authority on poker rules. You can view, copy, and use the best set of cardroom poker rules in the world, all at no charge. I am making my new rulebook Robert's Rules of Poker available for free to promote the game of poker. This document is 60 pages, about 200 kilobytes. Version 11 is the latest version, compatible with the Tournament Directors Association poker rules (with one exception), and available now. "

Also a quote from the preface of his rulebook.

"The author has strongly supported uniform poker rules, and applauds the work done in this direction by the Tournament Director’s Association (TDA). Nearly all the rules herein are compatible with the TDA rules, although there are some slight differences in wording."


However, the last version he put out was version 11 which came out in 2008 or 2009. So RROP represents the thinking about poker rules frozen as of 2009. The TDA rules, however, are continually examined and refined every couple of years to capture developments in the game and clarify previously ambiguous situations. I believe that is why more rooms are moving towards using TDA rules for cash games. The represent a set of rules that has evolved over the last 10 years while RROP has not.

An obvious example is that RROP still talks about a play who declares raise being able to go back to his stack multiple times to put out chips without first announcing the total raise amount, and action is complete when his hands come to rest. But I dont know of any room that still allows that, and instead gives a player one move in.

So while many refer to RRop as the cash game rule set and the TDA rules as the tournament rule set, it wasnt the intent of the author of RRop for that to happen. I think it would be a mistake for rooms to continue to adhere strictly to a rule set that is locked in time in 2009 and will never be revised in the future and will diverge further and further from the TDA rules as time goes on.
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Old 02-19-2019, 03:48 PM   #27
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I did ... 12 rooms called in the Midwest ...

Strict TDA - 5
'Own' rule set but lean towards TDA - 4
Roberts - 3

In 4 of the calls the Floor that answered didn't even know what Robert's or TDA was until I started asking them about how they would handle different rulings and had to ask someone else ... yes, I made sure I was talking to a Floor.

The Roberts rooms were the smaller rooms with very little tournaments on their schedules. GL

PS .. What would be interesting is that if I called back 12 hours from now to see if I get different answers.
I'm surprised more than one even knew what RRoP was. They simply have their own rule book and that's what they use. The fact that it was written based off a version of Robert's Rules is not commonly known. I'd be surprised if a single one of my floors would know what RRoP is, but everyone of them will know what TDA is, so if you talked to them, they would likely tell you we use TDA, but they would be incorrect. My book is based on RRoP with additions/changes made as needed. Some changes have been to be closer to TDA and others simply to clarify something and adapt to new behavior in poker.
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Old 02-23-2019, 12:23 AM   #28
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Btw many rooms still allow a player to declare raise and then make multiple motions. It is most players and some dealers who are not aware of this option. But rooms still
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Old 02-23-2019, 10:29 PM   #29
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Btw many rooms still allow a player to declare raise and then make multiple motions. It is most players and some dealers who are not aware of this option. But rooms still
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That's interesting. I've neverplayed in a room that allowed you to say just "raise" and then keep going back to your stack. I'be seen if you say an amount, like raise 200" you can take multiple trips to get the 200 out. But never simply raise.
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That's interesting. I've neverplayed in a room that allowed you to say just "raise" and then keep going back to your stack. I'be seen if you say an amount, like raise 200" you can take multiple trips to get the 200 out. But never simply raise.
Look in rrop in th betting raising section. As long as you say raise AND the first stack across is an exact call amount you can keep bringing out more.

But if there are other ways to do it. Generally the key becomes continuous motions but continuous back and forth is ok.
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Look in rrop in th betting raising section. As long as you say raise AND the first stack across is an exact call amount you can keep bringing out more.

But if there are other ways to do it. Generally the key becomes continuous motions but continuous back and forth is ok.
I know it's in RROP but I think that particular rule is actually an example of how rooms have moved past RROP, since RROP stopped being updated around 2008-9. As I mentioned I dont know of any rooms that actually allow youto keep going back after saying raise.
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