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Would you call out this angle? Would you call out this angle?

01-13-2022 , 07:28 PM
Hey all. Would you call this angle out in a live setting?

So Iím playing a tournament this past weekend and a guy makes a standard river bet (maybe like 50-60% of pot) on day 2 of the tourny so we are getting close to the money. The older guy who has action on him gets the calls chips together and sorta shuffled them and holds them looking at other player. Looked like he was going to call and had the chips in hand.

I was just an observant but I felt it was an angle to get a read and felt it was quite douchey. I didnít say anything but I kinda wanted to bc I felt it was slightly grimey. It reminded me of what chance kornuth did in the main event when he picked up chicks and moved them backwards to get a read.

Is it worth ever calling this out? If I was in hand and someone did this against me, I would be pretty damn mad.
01-13-2022 , 07:37 PM
I'm not sure what you think the angle is?
01-13-2022 , 07:55 PM
That's not an angle. That's probably the most common action in live poker when trying to get a read on someone. It's an integral part of the live game.
01-13-2022 , 08:53 PM
IMO until you make some kind of pump fake, no prob. Stacking/shuffling certainly fine imo. I am a visual person and have an almost incessant chip shuffling habit. So stacking the call let’s me ‘see’ what the impact is. Then I will shuffle reflexively while I think. But I do make sure I am and remain well behind my cards and any betting line if present.

Still imo, simply lifting / holding while trying to get a read, meh. Does move closer to my slime line but probably not there. But pump fakes or other intentional movement to elicit inform is at least at in not over my slime line if only for the time it wastes. Still would have to be pretty blatant for me to call it an angle.
01-14-2022 , 12:45 AM
How do you define 'angle' where you would think that this is one?

This is super standard.

The only angle would be if he committed some action that looked like a call but technically wasn't (moving chips forward to, but not over, the betting line, tossing a non-playing 'lucky' chip in the middle, etc.)

Looking like you are about to act a certain way to get a read is not an angle by any definition I have seen or used.
01-14-2022 , 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Jkpoker10 Would you call out this angle?
It reminded me of what chance kornuth did in the main event when he picked up chicks and moved them backwards to get a read.

Is it worth ever calling this out? If I was in hand and someone did this against me, I would be pretty damn mad.
The reason this reminded you of what Chance did is pretty simple. Neither of these are angles. No reason to be mad though.
01-14-2022 , 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by SpewingIsMyMove Would you call out this angle?
How do you define 'angle' where you would think that this is one?

This is super standard.

The only angle would be if he committed some action that looked like a call but technically wasn't (moving chips forward to, but not over, the betting line, tossing a non-playing 'lucky' chip in the middle, etc.)

Looking like you are about to act a certain way to get a read is not an angle by any definition I have seen or used.
Tossing a non playing chip into the middle..... that would be a bad angle. Have you ever seen that? Could surely be a case for binding that player to a call as there is absolutely no valid reason to do that
01-14-2022 , 02:30 AM
I also get mad when anyone looks at me.
01-14-2022 , 03:10 AM
Is this thread an angle
01-14-2022 , 12:18 PM
I've heard this sort of objection to more, or less, standard behavior before. What it comes down to is that the people objecting don't understand how someone else is getting the read and think it's unfair.

Almost the equal opportunity, vs. equal outcome argument.
01-14-2022 , 02:55 PM
I would personally call that angel and give her her wings.
01-14-2022 , 04:55 PM
I don't think this is an angle.

However, had he moved the chips forward as if he was going to bet then I would say its an angle. I learned this the hard way when in a hand with the nuts a guy took out chips to make a bet and then moved them forward (pump fake) but still behind his cards (at Foxwoods where if you move chips past your cards its a bet). I insta-shoved and he just laughed and mucked his hand. Nothing I could do. It wasn't a bet. Was his pump fake an angle? Yes it was. Did I learn to never react until chips are definitively in the pot? Yes I did.

Whether somebody picks up chips or not they are always going to be looking for tells as to whether or not to call.

I was the villain in a similar spot though my behavior was unintentional. At the Wynn in a Seniors tournament I had two pair and the river was a meaningless card that could only help somebody who had a gutter. I was in position and was going to bet if my opponent checked. My opponent however made a largish bet which I assumed to be a bluff, so I started assembling calling chips behind my cards. As I was putting together the chips he moved his hand forward in a motion that said to me he was getting ready to turn over the nuts. So I stopped what I was doing and I asked him how it was possible. And then I open folded my two pair. He showed me his straight and I told him what had happened (which was stupid I know because why should I be helping him?) Still we both laughed and I am thinking he learned not to do that again.
01-14-2022 , 07:03 PM
Hell yeah OP, call out that angle. Someone counting out chips? Should be kicked out of the tournament instantly.
01-14-2022 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by checkraisdraw Would you call out this angle?
Hell yeah OP, call out that angle. Someone counting out chips? Should be kicked out of the tournament instantly.
Oh, how I hope this is sarcasm.
Yesterday , 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by albedoa Would you call out this angle?
I also get mad when anyone looks at me.
Do you wait until the movie starts to enter the theater? GL


PS .. Not an angle unless the pump faking starts .. and even that is allowed in today's 'release' world.
Yesterday , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by answer20 Would you call out this angle?
Do you wait until the movie starts to enter the theater?
Here you've described a re-angle. Fair game imo.

      
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