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Old 02-10-2019, 03:01 AM   #1
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Why are plaques used for high chip amounts instead of chips themselves?

Was watching one of the poker scenes in James Bond Casino Royale. There were 100k chips in play but the 500k and 1million chips were represented by plaques. Why use plaques instead of chips?
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Old 02-10-2019, 05:34 AM   #2
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Re: Why are plaques used for high chip amounts instead of chips themselves?

You didn't think they were cool?
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Old 02-10-2019, 07:53 AM   #3
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Re: Why are plaques used for high chip amounts instead of chips themselves?

Google is your friend. If you had typed the title of this thread in it, you would have got your answer.

In the pre-RFID age, the serial numbers would allow tracking of the money. If you showed up at the cage with a bunch of plaques but the casino no record of you buying plaques in the past, the authorities and they can be pretty sure you're laundering money. And yes, anyone buying $25,000 casino tokens is going to get the attention of the room manager, even in the highest end casino.
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Old 02-10-2019, 10:36 AM   #4
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Re: Why are plaques used for high chip amounts instead of chips themselves?

Not sure if they still do, but casino Monte Carlo used plaques in their high stakes cash games.

According to people who played with them, recreational players love them while pros think they are extremely annoying to handle and take up unnecessary table space.
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Old 02-10-2019, 12:22 PM   #5
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Re: Why are plaques used for high chip amounts instead of chips themselves?

Ever seen someone (rightfully) get angry at 1/2 or 2/5 NL about an opponent hiding $100 chips? Imagine someone hiding $1,000,000 chips. Much harder to do with plaques
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Old 02-10-2019, 12:51 PM   #6
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Re: Why are plaques used for high chip amounts instead of chips themselves?

The hiding thing is definitely true for poker, but AFAIK plaques are mainly used in baccarat and other traditional (read: ancient) table games played at high stakes, where hiding them makes much less sense. Though I suppose they might make it more difficult to cheat with on table games as well.

I suspect venice is right and the traceability of the serial numbers back in the day was the primary reason to use them. Now that the checks all have RFID it's mainly just for marketing reasons I imagine.
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Old 02-10-2019, 04:20 PM   #7
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Re: Why are plaques used for high chip amounts instead of chips themselves?

They used plaques in the WPT Shooting Star that was held in San Jose.

So James Bond-ish.
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Old 02-10-2019, 11:13 PM   #8
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Re: Why are plaques used for high chip amounts instead of chips themselves?

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They used plaques in the WPT Shooting Star that was held in San Jose.

So James Bond-ish.
Then they should require everyone to wear formal attire, as well.


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Old 02-11-2019, 09:56 AM   #9
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Re: Why are plaques used for high chip amounts instead of chips themselves?

When I played in Germany, the chips were different sizes for different denominations as well. Huge pain to stack (especially as they were very light weight), but really easy to differentiate. In fact, my avatar is the chipset from my local casino at that time. IDK if they also had plaques, but if they did the game never got big enough that anyone "colored up" to them.
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Old 02-11-2019, 10:38 AM   #10
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Re: Why are plaques used for high chip amounts instead of chips themselves?

All the chips were different sizes, or just two sizes, a normal and an oversize? The latter is common in many casinos (especially in CA), the cutoff is usually the $100 chip. The most annoying thing is that they require slightly different racks.
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Old 02-11-2019, 12:04 PM   #11
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Re: Why are plaques used for high chip amounts instead of chips themselves?

Also, if you drop several of them, they don't roll, and roll, and roll...
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Old 02-11-2019, 09:22 PM   #12
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Re: Why are plaques used for high chip amounts instead of chips themselves?

Because plaques are cool....
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Old 02-12-2019, 12:12 AM   #13
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Re: Why are plaques used for high chip amounts instead of chips themselves?

It's a lot harder to lose a plaque then chips. If you drop a plaque on the floor it's not going to roll under something or disappear and no one can find it. Imagine losing 100k chip. That might sting a little. Having plaques alleviates that problem. They're a lot harder to lose. And when you have big denomination items you don't want them to be lost easily.
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Old 02-12-2019, 10:39 AM   #14
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Re: Why are plaques used for high chip amounts instead of chips themselves?

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All the chips were different sizes, or just two sizes, a normal and an oversize? The latter is common in many casinos (especially in CA), the cutoff is usually the $100 chip. The most annoying thing is that they require slightly different racks.
IIRC, there were at least three sizes. 5s were tiny, 10 and 20s about the diameter of normal US chips (but thin and very light) and 50s and 100s about the size of a Thin Mint Girl Scout cookie. I don't recall getting any chips of higher denom than that, and 1s did not exist.
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Old 02-12-2019, 11:06 AM   #15
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Re: Why are plaques used for high chip amounts instead of chips themselves?

Hmm, weird. "Standard" casino chips are 39mm diameter and 3.3mm thick. Oversized (also called baccarat chips) are usually 43mm, though they sometimes go larger too.
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Old 02-12-2019, 11:39 AM   #16
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Re: Why are plaques used for high chip amounts instead of chips themselves?

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It's a lot harder to lose a plaque then chips. If you drop a plaque on the floor it's not going to roll under something or disappear and no one can find it. Imagine losing 100k chip. That might sting a little.
Casinos started using RFID in higher denomination chips around 10 years ago.
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Old 02-12-2019, 08:19 PM   #17
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Re: Why are plaques used for high chip amounts instead of chips themselves?

Yeah, these chips were far from standard. I played at a couple of places in Europe that had standard chips, but these were much thinner, made of translucent plastic, and we're even thinner in the middle than on the rims.
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Old 02-13-2019, 05:35 AM   #18
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Re: Why are plaques used for high chip amounts instead of chips themselves?

The bank notes for Euros are also different sizes. In that instance it helps sight-impaired people know what denomination they have in their hands. I wonder if that is something that has spilled over in some way to casino chips.
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Old 02-14-2019, 11:08 AM   #19
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Re: Why are plaques used for high chip amounts instead of chips themselves?

They look like they would be horrible to play with mainly because they slide off of each other very easily.
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Old 02-14-2019, 11:50 AM   #20
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Re: Why are plaques used for high chip amounts instead of chips themselves?

Some casinos in low-rent areas of the UK have GBP100 (USD125, EUR113) plaques.

OTOH, GBP1000 and GBP5000 regular chips are often in play in 10/25 & 25/50 games in London.


Green plaques, Blacks = GBP25, Reds = GBP5, Pinks = GBP1.

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Old 02-15-2019, 10:30 AM   #21
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Re: Why are plaques used for high chip amounts instead of chips themselves?

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They look like they would be horrible to play with mainly because they slide off of each other very easily.
Yes. Stacks greater than 5 tall weren't really possible. Led to much more "coloring up" than one usually sees in poker.

To be fair, the casino only had two poker tables and they were only open at certain times. They were much more used to James Bond-style table games.

And yes, there was a dress code.
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Old 02-27-2019, 03:09 AM   #22
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Re: Why are plaques used for high chip amounts instead of chips themselves?

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It's a lot harder to lose a plaque then chips. If you drop a plaque on the floor it's not going to roll under something or disappear and no one can find it. Imagine losing 100k chip. That might sting a little. Having plaques alleviates that problem. They're a lot harder to lose. And when you have big denomination items you don't want them to be lost easily.
I would imagine it’s also harder for someone to steal one. There are videos on youtube demonstrating how someone might steal a couple of your chips at the blackjack or roulette table without you noticing. I would think sneaking a plaque from in front of someone would be harder.
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Old 02-27-2019, 11:38 AM   #23
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Re: Why are plaques used for high chip amounts instead of chips themselves?

I think a lot of it is just institutional momentum. Most high stake players aren’t carrying their roll around, partly to make it easier to argue with the casino about EL recorded for comp purposes and partly just because it’s dumb to carry fairly easy to lose chips around.

Come to think of it, maybe plaques also discourage players from carrying ultra high denomination tokens around.
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Old 02-27-2019, 06:07 PM   #24
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They look like they would be horrible to play with mainly because they slide off of each other very easily.
They separate the men from the boys when it comes to chip shuffling. Watch the WPT Shooting Star - not everyone could shuffle those things.
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Old 02-28-2019, 08:40 AM   #25
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Re: Why are plaques used for high chip amounts instead of chips themselves?

The Indian casino in Milwaukee uses different sized chips for their $100 and above denominations. But afaik they don’t use plaques
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