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02-25-2019 , 07:25 PM
I am in the 1 seat (no headphones) and went all in recently in a tournament. The three seat is tanking and we are heads up. I hear the dealer announce that the clock has been called. I did not hear which player called the clock and asked the dealer and the floor just for information, not to object at all.

They would not reply and just affirmed that the table had called the clock. Is that information I was entitled too?
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02-25-2019 , 10:04 PM
Probably room specific, and probably more likely supervisor specific...
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02-25-2019 , 10:19 PM
It’s not information you are entitled to, nor should it matter.
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02-26-2019 , 08:34 AM
You should most certainly be informed of who called the clock, but maybe not until the hand is over in most cases to avoid any issues from starting up. It's even possible that the Dealer called clock. They are allowed to but it's very rare.

Everything 'matters' at the poker table, no matter how minor the information may be. You may never 'use' the information, but it's part of the game and you should be informed of it if you ask in a timely manner. GL
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02-26-2019 , 11:46 AM
When a dealer calls me to the table for a clock call, I ask 3 questions to the dealer, loud enough for everyone to hear.

1. "Where is the action?"
2. "Who called clock?"
3. "How long has it been?"

Different rooms have different rules on calling clock. Some have it so that only the players in the hand can call it. I don't know what TDA says. I use the 3rd question along with the relative size of the action to determine whether I'm starting the clock immediately or not.
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02-26-2019 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by answer20
You should most certainly be informed of who called the clock
Why? Is there a rule that specifies you’re entitled to that information? Does every player at the table have a right to know who called the clock even if they weren’t involved in the hand?

I don’t have a strong opinion on the issue, just curious why you think it should certainly be that way.
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02-26-2019 , 12:46 PM
No 'poker' rule that I know of ... But is there a 'poker' rule that prohibits the Dealer from confirming action on a previous street? Not that I know of, but they 'can't' (don't). But if you ask them when action is on you, they will play by play the current street.

As my last line in the post indicates it must be done in a timely manner. IMO every Player at the table (dealt into that hand) has some rights, with the Players still in the hand having 'more' rights, to ask what is transpiring during a hand that may affect the outcome and provide information as to how things might transpire in later hands via table dynamic. One might also suggest that each Player has a duty to make sure the hand is progressing in a manner consistent with the rules. What if someone from the rail called for the clock?

There was a thread a few weeks back (or a Tweet from the HPT) that wanted to know if the Dealer should provide 'results' from a hand that carried into a tournament break that Players walked away from ... and how detailed that information was expected to be. There were some interesting responses to that ...

Although one could suggest that only the person who action is on could 'currently' ask for who called the clock, I think that information is relevant and owed to any party it may have affected, whether it be 'in hand' or after the action is closed. It's relevant to the current street and thus 'available' to all parties ... IMO. GL
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02-26-2019 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by answer20
You should most certainly be informed of who called the clock
I don't agree with this, but I also don't think there is a reason to deny the info. I'm pretty amazed it's actually an issue.
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02-26-2019 , 01:32 PM
I've never heard a player demand to know who called the clock on him as a prelude to a friendly conversation.

If someone asks, I ain't telling.
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02-26-2019 , 02:41 PM
I know of no rule stating you aren't entitled to know who called clock. I do know many floors who have stopped giving this information anyway because it always results in arguments. People ask because they're pissed and want to know who to lash out at. The floor would rather be the bad guy and walk away.

The only reason for the floor to even ask who called time is to determine if that player is abusing the privilege and if they are even allowed to call clock. Rules vary by room on who is allowed to call it.
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02-26-2019 , 04:11 PM
Additional info - I was heads up and had acted. The action was on the other player and the clock was called by someone not in the hand and not loud enough for the whole table to hear. It probably is not very relevant, but it is information and I was curious. I just thought it odd that the floor declined to answer which led me to think there may be some kind of TDA rule.
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02-28-2019 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Chesapeake71
Additional info - I was heads up and had acted. The action was on the other player and the clock was called by someone not in the hand and not loud enough for the whole table to hear. It probably is not very relevant, but it is information and I was curious. I just thought it odd that the floor declined to answer which led me to think there may be some kind of TDA rule.
In the floors eyes you wanted to know so you could start some sort of scene with the person who called the clock. The floor didn’t tell you because they didn’t want such scene started (whether you would have actually started a scene is irrelevant). They want to do everything they can to keep the peace, and answering your question has potential to start a fight or argument
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02-28-2019 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Reducto
I know of no rule stating you aren't entitled to know who called clock.
I know of no rule stating you are entitled to know who called clock.
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02-28-2019 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by steamraise
I know of no rule stating you are entitled to know who called clock.
That too.
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03-01-2019 , 01:11 AM
It would be interesting to know if the nice little old lady in the 9 seat snap called for the clock
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