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Originally Posted by SpewingIsMyMove
I don't like it. I don't like any ruling that allows a player to indicate one action, gauge a response, then change that action. Even in this case where it may have been innocent and no advantage was gained, I hate this precedent. And not only does this fall under a players responsibility to protect their action, I find it hard to believe, assuming OP is being fair and accurate, that a guy would make a $100 bet, then tune out to the point where they missed the player announcing all-in, the dealer announcing all-in, and chips being pushed across the line.
I was watching the Aria high roller series this year in which they were televising final tables. There was a hand in which somebody raised and then a guy with KK 3-bet. Another guy 4-bet but the guy with KK didn't see it. The original raiser folded and the KK guy mucked his hand thinking he had won the pot. The Dealer put the hand into the muck as he was supposed to and the guy with KK lost the hand. I'm just saying it happens.
If I was in the hand and I knew there was no intent to get a read and I knew that I hadn't given a read then I will give the other player the opportunity to play on. If I turn my hand face up and the guy then reaches for his cards and says "Wait you raised I thought you folded" no way am I going to let him back in the hand.
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Put it another way, let's say a player raises small, a second player raises huge, a third player says 'call', then notices the raise and tries to retract his action. Absent extenuating circumstances, this would not be allowed, so why should he be allowed to retract his action in this case?
This happens all the time with SB's. They call the BB even though they are facing a raise. In many places they are allowed to fold, leaving the limped call in.
This happened in the WSOP main event with the French woman (I forget her name). She raised with KK the SB thinking everybody had folded to him, went all-in, the BB folded, the SB mucked his cards before the French woman could react (and the Dealer put them in the muck pile!). He was allowed to just put in the original raised amount and keep the rest of his stack. She had KK.
The precedent has already been set.