5 handed, Seat 1 SB, Seat 2 moves to Seat 6, Seat 3 posts BB, Seat 4 utg, Seat 5 is button, Seat 6 (who moved from Seat 2) posts between the blinds, he will not be button next hand but will be the Cutoff as the Button will move to seat 1. He could have bought the Button but chose not to.

Seat 1 busts and leaves.

Before the next hand is dealt, 3 new players sit in Seats 7, 8 and 9. New players do not have to post to get a hand but can buy the button or wait and come in behind the Button.

Where is the button, who are the blinds and who is entitled to play the hand? The room uses the dead button rule not the forward moving button rule.

Dead button in seat 1, seat 2 is open, seat 3 posts the SB, everyone gets a hand.

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Haha, very weird and interesting question.

Posting in between is a good invention, but this is one circumstance where it will cause problems.

I would probably put the button in seat 1, tell seat 6 he needs to sit one hand (even though he posted between last hand), tell seats 7, 8, and 9 they also need to wait one hand, then seat 3 is SB, 4 is BB, 5 is (dead) button. Then next hand 3 is BUT, 4 is SB, 5 is BB, 6-9 all get a hand.

I would not be too annoyed if 6 got a hand (and inherited button) after posting between, even though he should normally not get button. 7-9 still need to wait a hand.

No. And "dead button" doesn't mean what you think it means. It means the button stays with the last person who had it, which should be done here, if the room has the dead button rule.

Moving the button to seat 1 but not letting the other players have a hand accomplishes the same thing, but having the button in front of an empty seat is what causes people to get this misconception. So I disagree with Dinesh, even though the same people would get the same cards either way.

Interesting. Here is how it would have played out under our room rules. I've seen this happen a few times.

Seat 6 wouldnt be allowed to post a big blind between the small blind and the button and get a hand. His options would be to either buy the button, or sitout a hand and then post a big blind after the button moved to seat one. For this discussion lets say he chose to wait

When seat 1 leaves, the button would remain in seat 5. Seat 6 then has the first option to once again buy the button. If he does, the new seat 7, 8, and 9 must sit out a hand. If seat 6 waits for button to pass, the option to buy button moves to seat 7. If he buys it, seat 8 and 9 must wait out the hand. If seat 7 also says he will wait, seat 8 gets option to buy button. If he does, seat 9 must sit out. Finally, if seat 8 waits, then seat 9 has option to buy button. If he waits, then the hand plays out with seats 6-9 sitting out, seat 5 the button, seat 3 the sb and seat 4the bb.

This is actually the easiest solution, and the dealer woukd probably suggest it like " hey guys, if you all sit out the this hand, you will all be in next hand. " the hand would play, seat 3 is button next hand, and seats 6-9 are dealt in next hand with seat 6 posting a big blind.

If seat 6 had chosen to buy the button on the previous hand prior to the arrival of seats 7-9 then the same sequence of choices would be in effect for the next hand with seat 6 as the button and seat 7 having the first option to buy the button.

But as the OP played out I would say since the button didnt move from seat 5 then seat 6 would still be given the option to sit out the next hand or buy the button even though he posted a bb already for moving out of the blind.

This is the correct solution IME. Mostly the part about not letting seat 6 post between, but since this is apparently allowed there, then for simplicity I would have just gone with this solution...

Because who the hell cares? Lets just play poker. If it makes chillrob feel better we can put the button in front of seat 9...

Sorry Suit but for maybe the first time I have to say I disagree. Letting 6-9 being be Teton or implied button apparently violates our his rooms rules on being button. This is a xactly why leaving button at 5 is best practice. If we taught dealers and players and even many floors that dead button means it doesn’t move to an empty or ineligible seat would make these situations easier.

If you insist button to 1 the hen ok. But four players still sit out. None of them are button eligible unless buying button is allowed. Then they have option to buy button or sit out.

People always worry about the button too much. Get the blinds right first. The rest usually follows pretty easily.

"posts between the blinds" ?
I have never seen this, I play in rooms where you can "buy the button" but never heard of this. Is this in a casino? Seems like it can only cause problems.

A "dead button" is a button that will be in a empty seat due to player leaving. It does not mean the button stays with last person although they will act last like the button.

No, it does not. You also don't know what the term means, likely through hearing it misused by others in the places you have played.

On the east coast and Vegas, where the "dead button" rule is in play, the button would stay in place. (dead things don't move.)

In California, where the "moving button" rule is in play, the button would move to seat 2, but he would still have to post his SB, while having the button.

In no rule set should the button ever in be in front of an empty seat, or in front of anyone who is being dealt his first hand.

I agree 100%. I'm just saying who cares. Lets make this easy and let them have the implied button since the guy that moved didn't want it anyway and move on with the game. I'm not saying it is the technically correct way to do it as I mentioned in my last post.

Exactly this.

Tournaments use a dead button. Do you feel the same way about them not having a button in front of someone being dealt their first hand after coming from a busted table? I only ask out of curiosity and I realize it has nothing to do with the OP.

There isn't a universally accepted definition for "dead button". It means different things in different rooms. chillrob and ckmonkey are both right/wrong.

As to the problem at hand, if 6 isn't allowed to have the button (which I don't get, but whatever), then it stays at 5. Seat 3 becomes the small blind, so seat 4 becomes the big, and the first eligible player for the button is 5. Buying the button opens other options, of course.

Actually Chill is correct and you are wrong. In a dead button game the button does not have to move. In a moving button game the button always moves forward to the next eligible seat. But in both cases SOMEONE in the hand is the button.

Think of it this way. The button is who would be dealing if it were a self dealt game. If an empty seat is the button, who would deal the cards. Moving button moves to the next eligible player. Dead button stays with the last eligible.

Seat 2 should not have been able to post between because he was supposed to be big blind. He can either buy the button or wait one hand and post behind the buttom for one big blind. The reason this situation sounds so absurd is because he was allowed to do that. In my room, posting between is only allowed in posting games as a new player, and is mostly used for limit.

Anyway, if this was allowed, it would be small blind and button on seat 3, seat 4 big blind, and seat 5 big blind. Everyone else would be dealt in and would not be allowed to come in behind a second time because they are in the best possible position for their free hand. The next hand it would be small small big starting on seat 4 with seat 4 having the button. Our room is a forward advancing button room that only allows dead buttons in tournaments. so obviously this is very room specific.

I really hardly ever play tournaments so I don't know what the standard is there. If I were making the rules, I would prefer no one be moved onto the button, but if that was the standard I wouldn't complain about it.

My point was simply that different rooms define and treat "dead button" differently. I'm not addressing the issue any more than that.

I agree with Didace, that once you set the blinds, the location of the button follows, whatever you want to call it.

I'm with some ... never seen anyone post between the SB and B before without it being a 'BTB' spot with Seat 1 and 3 not posting anything. Seat 6 (the buyer) gets the B the next hand. Must be a 'twisted' rule where existing Players can't BTB but are allowed to post a BB from anywhere on a seat change.

Just to stir the pot a bit ... If we have a Dead Button as suggested in front of Seat 5 why wouldn't we allow all the Seats 6 to 9 the option to post as Seat 6 did the hand before? How has the spot changed? They are all still between the Button and (true) SB, yes? B still ends up in Seat 3 the next hand. If they really want a hand, let them pay for it.

OP indicated that new Players can BTB, but not Seat 6? If that's the case then Seat 7 to 9 should have the option to BTB, but that may still leave Seat 6 out in the cold for the next hand anyway unless we let him post again. If nobody wants to BTB then it goes to Seat 3 the next hand.

Defining a 'dead' button can be room to room. IMO it's easier to understand a dead button when it's in front of an empty chair, but I also understand the merit of having it in front of an actual person ... who essentially is the Button without any straddle options. That is the definition that will affect Seat 6-9 in the next hand.

I personally have no issues with Seats 6-9 getting cards with a dead button in front of an empty Seat 1. Seat 9 gets position, but not that ability to straddle.

In the rooms I play in Seat 6 would either ...
1) BTB in Seat 6 ... and get the B in the next hand.
2) Choose to sit out the current hand and post behind the B after.
3) Take a hand in the BB from Seat 2 and post a dead small in the next behind the B after the move
4) Wait to move until the B is in Seat 3 (post) or 4 (BB anyway)

Obv things could get complicated when the other Players show up.

OP .. which dead button rule does your room use? That will give us the answer to the question. GL


PS .. Forward moving Button is when the Button moves until it gets to the next real person. Which creates a spot where there are 3 posters in the next two hands ... S-B-B, then S-S-B.

No, it's not a twisted rule. You can still BTB if you want (but then you have to post both a BB and a dead SB). It is generally used only for new players, though I suppose it probably could be used for seat changes too. (The room I know that has this rule, Bellagio, allows players to deal off and come back in in the same relative position with no need for a post instead, so they generally do that.)

"Posting between" is just an extra posted BB between the BUT and the SB. The next hand the button jumps over the "between" player and goes to the previous SB as you would expect.

It gets new players in a hand earlier, gives nits an extra hand on their entry round, and also has them posting OOP, so everyone wins.

I agree, with the button in front of seat 5, seats 7-9 could also post between if they wanted to (though personally I've never seen multiple people post between, I don't see why they couldn't). They shouldn't be able to take a hand if the button is put in front of (empty) seat 1, though, because then one of them will inherit the button, which is not allowed for a new player.

Also, seat 6 could also post between or BTB, but since he already posted last hand he is not likely to want to do it twice in a row, since he can come in for free if he waits one hand. This weird "post and play a hand, then wait a hand before continuing for free" is one of the few issues with posting between, but it does not happen often.

Posting in between is standard in Vegas. It's never caused any issues in my experience. Of course it is very unusual for someone to leave on his button, and even more unlikely to happen when someone had just posted.

Cool ... New talking point with my peeps here. If I read this correctly then a Player would be turning down the opportunity to be on the Button the next hand for only $1 of dead money? GL

PS ... There are rooms that don't allow a 'current' Player to BTB so the 'between' post makes sense if they want a hand for sure.

As mentioned above, posting between is generally something people do in limit games, where the blinds are much larger relatively and much more important.

Many rooms now don't even make you post in a NL game, unless they've had a history of people abusing it for free rounds, so in those rooms one would definitely just wait and come in after for free most often. (Though I suppose there might be some NL analog where you just get a free hand in between BUT and SB, but I don't think I've ever seen that personally.)