I had a hand in a tournament where I folded to a pot sized jam on the turn of a Q-rag-rag-rag board with AQo. Not detailing the hand, but more interested in what happened afterwards. I folded face up, and told the other player he had kings. He didn't show, so I said "not showing kings?" He says he didn't have kings, so I said, "Not showing the bluff?" He said it wasn't a bluff. I ask him if it was aces, he stops answering me, I try to keep a pretty friendly image (part of why I'll show tough folds). About 20 minutes later, our table is close to breaking, someone else just busted and the dealer is counting the stacks, and I ask the player (obviously uninvolved in the current hand) what he had. Eventually he said he had me beat, not AA KK or QQ, and finally confesses to a set (it was in his range). After staying quiet for so long, is he more or less likely to be lying?

I put this in Casino/Cardroom because it's obviously a question for live players, sorry if mods think it's better for Psych or Tells

Personally, I just tell you anything to get you to quit pestering me about the hand. My standard line is that you made a good fold, because I want you folding to me a lot.

The odds that you are being lied to go up over time. If the villain is a regular, the odds you are getting lied to goes up. No way to know for sure.

Yeah, he certainly wasn't a reg. I trust my read, but another guy at the table didn't, and it made me think about how often I ask this question and get an answer. Oh well, I'll probably never see the guy again

I usually deflect and sometimes lie and sometimes tell the truth. If you keep bugging me, I will ask what you put me on and whatever you say, that’s what I had, good read.

Based on your 'story' a set fits. I've found it best not to pester someone right after the hand, especially in a tournament, when the 'spotlight' is on them and the whole table will be able to log how they played the hand. This Player was probably also very disappointed that they picked the 'wrong' way to get paid and/or felt that you had actually given the rest of the table a read by showing your 'big' fold.

The flip side is that if this Player had KQ then the rest of the table will see a fairly light pot bet IMO and possibly open the door up to being called down more often when they really don't want to be.

Obviously the longer you give someone to think about a spot the better story they can come up with that fits. I think 'set' is a well used go to story, but in this case fits based on your description.

Waiting a bit .. and certainly when on break or when your table breaks .. are better spots to get the truth, especially if you are seated next to each other. GL

PS ... why is the Dealer 'counting down stacks' for a table break? Do they color you up to reduce the chips being carried? Sounds like a delay in getting to your next hand IMO. (Possible they were just verifying the bust out too.)

Yeah I wasn't clear, I meant he was verifying the bust out. Just a quick second to get some chatter in while no hand was going on. We didn't break for another 5 or so hands, but you could tell it was coming (only ten tables in the room)

Being a pest is probably not the best way to get the truth at the poker table.


--klez

+1. If I want to answer your question, I do it when you ask the first time. If I don’t and you ask again, I might think you’re a little slow and I answer again without really saying anything. After that, it’s just annoying TBH.

If it really bothers you, ask again after I am done playing. At that point you’ll get the truth unless we’re both regulars.

"When is a poker player telling the truth?"

When he/she says he/she is broke 85% of the time they are telling the truth.

Why is everyone always showing their fold in poker stories?

When I get pestered to show like this, I tell them that if they want to know, then they know what to do. Pay to see. Or just ignore and keep playing.

Or lie and tell them they made a good fold.

Because otherwise it's rarely a story

don't show big folds face up, it will encourage people to make plays at you

(I know, that's what I want)

He was very likely lying about having a set, because he obviously thought about telling you what he had in between the hand and when the table broke. What logical human would come to the conclusion to tell you what they actually had? He thought about it a bit and determined that lying to you would somehow have him come out on top in some way (by giving you false info). There's legit no reason he would tell you what he actually had minutes later unless he was some Leave It To Beaver milk toast mofo who never lies.

And to echo what others have said, just keep it a little more casual. If they don't tell you after you ask, just drop it. (imo)

a. Easy to keep your "story" straight

b. 90% of the time they don't believe you.

I always say I had aces when someone asks what I folded / mucked


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I never lie when somebody asks me about my hand away from the table after I’m done playing. If there’s a reason why you can’t know my hand, I’ll tell you that I want to keep the suspense on that one.

At the table is a totally different situation. Not only does my answer potentially impact future hands between us. Yelling across the table also means 7 other players hear my answer and I have no idea if that’s going to have an impact or not. If I tell you, I know that you know my answer. But I have no idea if seat 7 knows it too.

Wow you sound insufferable.

ill Tell you the truth... don’t be so annoying. Ask once then stfu... they’ll tell you whatever gets you to shut up the quickest when they eventually say something after the first time.

If you were this pestering when you didn’t know what he had imagine what you’d be like after he says he was bluffing... like “what did you think I had??? You must be lying no one bluffs there. What were your suits??? You weren’t worried about AA.. my range is so strong.”

These.

This reminds me of when I was in high school running track. Before every race at least one of my opponents would nervously ask me what my best time in the event was. I learned to say "Fast. Very fast"

If you look like you need to know badly then you can be easily tortured.

I used to lie at the poker table about my hands. Then a guy who spoke almost no English said to the table, after I had lied, "He no have that". Which was totally true. He also said "He no show, he no have". Also true. At that point I stopped lying. I feel better about it, and as Angus pointed out nobody believes me anyway.

As to this hand, I'm guessing he had a set. Often when people don't want to tell you they say "I don't remember" or "72 offsuit". But when they tell you its more likely to be real especially if its not in front of the whole table.

Personally if you are going to play Go Fish at the poker table I would recommend saying something like "I think I folded the best hand" and then the other player will ask what I folded and I tell them my hand. Then they almost always tell me if they had me beat. I don't really need to know what they had. But remember this is a two way street, an opponent wants to know if they were beat then you will need to tell them.

But if somebody says "good fold" that is where it gets dicey. Could be either way. Good for you or good for them.

Me personally I’ve ALWAYS told players I had a monster when they’ve asked afterwards in situations like this.

Even (or especially) if I really like them. It makes them feel good about their play and it makes me feel good about making them feel good.

Plus if I actually WAS bluffing then it just makes me seem terrible like why was I even in the hand?

I think you got lied to. I just don’t think it matters and would choose to believe the lie.


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One of my only saving graces in the game is that I'm just not that curious.

Never. I lie about what I had 99% of the time...even if it was a $8 pot.