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Old 04-20-2020, 10:11 AM   #26
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One state opening and generating revenue going to put a lot of pressure on other neighbors.
You are assuming that opening will lead to generating revenue.
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Old 04-20-2020, 10:13 AM   #27
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You are assuming that opening will lead to generating revenue.
So if a casino opens, 0 people will visit?
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Old 04-20-2020, 11:30 AM   #28
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You are correct, I used revenue imprecisely. But the clear implication of the post I was responding to was that "revenue" was the same as making money (profit).
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Old 04-20-2020, 11:56 AM   #29
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The "social distancing" recommendations stay in place through stage 2 of the Opening Up America advisories. Stage three allows a reco of no need for distancing. It will be some time.
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Old 04-20-2020, 12:00 PM   #30
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i don't think any of us realistically know how things will look live 6 months from now
it's just baseless speculation
This is the one and only truth of the matter.
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Old 04-20-2020, 02:10 PM   #31
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re: When and how will live poker resume? Is live poker dead for 2020?

My June 3 flight to LV from Canada was cancelled this morning. Note attached said that all flights into US from Canada are cancelled until at least June 5.

I suspect it will be longer than that. Vegas in particular is in a rough spot.
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Old 04-20-2020, 03:34 PM   #32
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The older I get the more I realize nobody really cares what I think.

That's just how it is.

But there must be legions of rec players like me who won't bother to go to Las Vegas for poker if all they have is six max games.
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Old 04-20-2020, 04:59 PM   #33
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My June 3 flight to LV from Canada was cancelled this morning. Note attached said that all flights into US from Canada are cancelled until at least June 5.

I suspect it will be longer than that. Vegas in particular is in a rough spot.
You're posting like you're feeling better. I hope that is true.
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Old 04-20-2020, 06:11 PM   #34
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Today is better than the weekend was Venice. Thanks for asking.


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Old 04-20-2020, 07:27 PM   #35
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Thatís something I thought about yesterday. Do I really want to sit next to someone like that?

And how do other players react if someone starts coughing for example? People might even do that on purpose out of frustration or whatever. Sounds stupid, but not more ridiculous than the people who cough in grocery stores to clear an aisle. And that happens quite frequently, at least according to a friend who is a manager at WholeFoods.
You hit it on the head, it's the people that don't protect each other,
The masks aren't for you, theyre for the other prople,..

Back to opening Isle, what I heard , ( rumor, hearsay, fact, fiction ),

Came out of NY

Fraud Street, ( Wall Street )

Isle of Capri, owned now by El Dorado is taking over Caesers,
In a stock swap that none of us would understand....

For the deal to go through, they need revenues,fast as possible,
Or deal may fall through...

So all El Dorado, Isles need to open immediately to keep merger on track.

Fraud Streeet, is what they do...

Attorneys for Isle are ready to go, open yesterday,
Had a schedule for this Friday, not sure now after that Jax beach opening,
What idiots, may slow it down a week..


They still want to open before Indians,
Indians scheduled for May 10-15,

Isle can open, non smoking facility,
Open big pit upstairs with 3 card, ultimate, etc
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Old 04-20-2020, 08:12 PM   #36
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WSOP officially postponed
https://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/i...t-autumn-dates
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Old 04-21-2020, 02:04 AM   #37
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I do not think that live poker will happen again in 2020. I think that people will stick to online until there is a vaccine or a medicine that treats this virus. Just my thoughts. I know I am going to be sticking to online until there is something in place.
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Old 04-21-2020, 05:29 AM   #38
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My beach here in Boynton got delayed after seeing the animals in Jax,
What's wrong with these peoples, beach is my favorite, but I don't need 100 friends hanging around. That was a test, to see what happens, we seen, stay locked down.
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Old 04-21-2020, 07:52 AM   #39
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My beach here in Boynton got delayed after seeing the animals in Jax,
What's wrong with these peoples,
beach is my favorite, but I don't need 100 friends hanging around. That was a test, to see what happens, we seen, stay locked down.
If you've ever been to Jacksonville (or most of Florida north of the I-4 corridor), you would understand.
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Old 04-22-2020, 07:55 PM   #40
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Will casinos and card rooms reopen this year? Yes. And then there will be outbreaks centered around them in the same way there are now outbreaks in nursing homes and meat-processing plants. Both customers and staff will get sick. And how healthy is that population to begin with? We're talking about lots of people who are elderly, overweight, sedentary, and/or smokers. So some of those who get sick will die. Rumors will circulate. Maybe the place where the outbreak occurred will be forced to close again; maybe those who understand the risks will simply stay away.
It will be different than nursing homes. In nursing homes the infirm elderly are trapped. Vulnerable older people would be less likely to go play poker.

And poker players who are tourists will be constantly coming and going unlike workers in meat plants. So yes regs in cash games would be like meat plant workers but Las Vegas and Atlantic City would be a whole different thing.

The big question is how casinos would handle outbreaks that come back to them? Would they help investigators trace the hundreds of people who were potentially exposed? Or would they pretend that there isn't any problem at all so people would continue to play.

For me it will boil down to what types of checks are in place. Will they be screening people with any symptoms? Fevers? Will they announce plans to help trace? Will all employees wear masks and gloves? Will they provide masks and gloves for customers?

Or will it all be the wild wild west where you roll the dice and take your chances?

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Things aren't going to return to normal quickly or gradually but prematurely and in fits and starts: three steps forward, two steps back. It could be two years before the pandemic itself is fully under controlóand the economic recovery will take even longer than that.
I fear that live tournaments will be few and far between and mostly youngsters who will play. Wish I was young...
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Old 04-23-2020, 03:54 PM   #41
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Maybe there will be poker this year :-p

https://www.uoflnews.com/section/sci...l-coronavirus/
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Old 04-23-2020, 06:25 PM   #42
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I think we'll see poker back later in the year (guessing fall-ish). From a casino/gaming standpoint, I think poker will literally be the last thing to open back up due to a) lack of social distancing and b) it makes no money for the casinos themselves.
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Old 04-23-2020, 06:54 PM   #43
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I already know of casinos planning to use their poker room as a temporary place to space out more slot machines, so yeah. Poker will be last, and it should be last.
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Old 04-24-2020, 01:02 AM   #44
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You are correct, I used revenue imprecisely. But the clear implication of the post I was responding to was that "revenue" was the same as making money (profit).
Ignoring any social media backlash for a moment.

If a casino opens and at this point makes any revenue over 0 thats much better for them than the negative whatever their monthly bills are now. If the need for increased spending outpaces being open(which id highly doubt off the cuff) thats a positive. Doesnt need to be profit just more than the negative. Once casino from say ohio, or pa or michigan, open that will put pressure on the next state just like it did when all these states opened casinos to get their piece of the pie

Giving their employees, a job, perilous as it may be, maybe im being myopic but the sentiment from the thread is stay home stay safe. Maybe im wildly underestimating folks in casino or hourly positions ingeneral. I could also wildly underestimate the government helping of these folks as well. My feeling is many hourly employees are going to go broke, max their credit out and put a huge strain on situation. Not saying were going to have 30 slot techs with sawed offs blasting through kroger next month, but how do paycheck to paycheck people survive 3,6,9 more months?


To be clear im not saying open and let them be dammed, or keep them closed indefinitely. I dont have the answers lol. I do think the long term health of the nation, the future, will be less f-ed from the virus than a partial economic collapse. That doesnt mean open the doors tomorrow or next week. Just sooner than later.
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Old 04-24-2020, 10:34 AM   #45
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If a casino opens and at this point makes any revenue over 0 thats much better for them than the negative whatever their monthly bills are now.
Sorry, but that’s just not correct.

For any brick & mortar business, there are fixed costs and variable costs. To be better off by being open than being closed, a casino needs to make more money than what it spends on variable costs that occur from operating the business.

If the Wynn in Las Vegas was allowed to reopen tomorrow they would say “thank you, but hell no”. They would need several hundred employees to operate at an absolute minimum level of their standard. With the amount of guests they could expect right now, they would lose significantly more money than what they lose by being closed.
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Old 04-24-2020, 12:33 PM   #46
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Will there be live poker in 2020? Yes.

Will the regs and degens still be out there? Yes. But will 75% of the recs and casuals that make the games profitable/fun be out there and willing to take the risk of playing? I very highly doubt it.

Until this thing is figured out or cured a casino sitting inches apart at a poker table from people of all ages and traveling from all over, will legit be the last place most of the population will want to be, or will want to take the risk to be at, unfortunately.
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Old 04-24-2020, 04:20 PM   #47
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Live poker dead for 2020?

Forgive my skepticism, but there are forces at work here that makes what we think totally irrelevant. For example, Exhibit A is actually in the news, and in your face too.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog...o-the-experts/

Cliffs: Health official in Illinois actually says they are faking the numbers, live and in public. I won't post the actual text, see it for yourself.

Exhibit B from a finance thread:

https://investorsvillage.com/smbd.as...g&mid=20610467

"... The two largest hospital systems here in Metro Detroit (Beaumont and Henry Ford) are laying off 4000+ and 2000+ nurses respectively."

Exhibit C from another forum, about another state:

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/i...een-suspended/

TLDR: Regular health care is banned by edict.

TLDR: When this crap stops, only then will there be a chance of the Outer Limits returning any semblance of prior normal control of our lives. Not in 2020 IMO.
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Old 04-24-2020, 06:04 PM   #48
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Sorry, but that’s just not correct.

For any brick & mortar business, there are fixed costs and variable costs. To be better off by being open than being closed, a casino needs to make more money than what it spends on variable costs that occur from operating the business.

If the Wynn in Las Vegas was allowed to reopen tomorrow they would say “thank you, but hell no”. They would need several hundred employees to operate at an absolute minimum level of their standard. With the amount of guests they could expect right now, they would lose significantly more money than what they lose by being closed.
Sorry i didnt make that more clear. They wouldnt open to operate at a bigger loss. Well they might in an extreme short term to open the store so to speak..


a lot of the more local casinos. Thinking philly, st Louis, chicagoland, detroit. Ohio. Places with population in area. Id think they would operate at better cost than being closed even with employees back. Wynn might not since it requires much more traffic. And tourism. I could see local lv casinos doing well enough, even with some, most ?? Staying home.

Hypothetically, guessing numners, casino closed cost 90k month
Employees to open and sit empty 40k more? 75k idk..
10% of normal revenue has to scrape past the cost of hourly folks and the extra bills they generate. Id be interested if someone has a more concrete cost estimate.

This again ignoring the ramifications just if they did it..
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Old 04-24-2020, 06:12 PM   #49
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TLDR: Regular health care is banned by edict.
Not sure what that has to do with poker? To create at least some connection to the thread, you could compare regular hospitals to casino hotels. The latter ones might be allowed to be open, but nobody wants to go there because they donít want to catch anything and/or donít want to violate a stay at home order. Nobody wants to go to the hospital right now for anything not life-threatening because they donít want to get sick.

Other than that, I donít really see the relevance. Health experts never claimed the US didnít have enough hospital beds. The potential problem was too little ICU beds and too little equipment for respiratory diseases. Now, in our strictly for profit health care system, a hospital needs at least ~80% occupancy to operate profitably and thatís obviously not possible if your only ďguestsĒ are people who need an ICU bed and everyone else stays the F home. Again, to make a connection to poker, that situation is comparable to a casino needing a certain number of customers to be able to operate profitably. And the casino wonít get there if only sick people (aka degens/addicts) show up.
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Old 04-24-2020, 07:44 PM   #50
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^ Fair point.

I wasn't clear enough about the connection, however tenuous some might find it.

Whether or not the "stay home" orders are lifted should be based on logic and public health reasons.

My fear, which might sound overly paranoid without examples, is that the reasons why the state of lockdown will continue longer than we think, and also longer than it "needs to" or "should", are likely to have nothing to do with logic or public health, and everything to do with whatever is driving the cited examples - which to me are sufficient without burdening readers with even more similar examples from other states and events.

Nobody wants to play (like before) more than me. But it's just my opinion, YMMV.
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