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Old 07-11-2018, 08:41 AM   #76
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Re: What's Up with the Meal Button and Walkers?

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99% of poker players have financial incentive to play as little as possible. So forcing them to play is going to be an uphill battle regardless of the method.
If you have incentive to play as little as possible, do it from home.
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Old 07-11-2018, 09:00 AM   #77
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They used to call people back to the table at the Bicycle club in California. That wouldn't work at a place with a huge casino where players might be out of the range of the PA system though.

Of course you can't force anyone to play, but you could start picking people up more aggressively, especially for repeat offenders. Unfortunately, though everyone knows who those players are, it is tough to define them, as they always come back just in time to avoid being picked up.
I have seen floor people take away a players privilege to leave the table for abusing it. They simply are told "you won't be welcome to play here if you continue this". But this is for cases of severe and repeat offenders.
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Old 07-11-2018, 09:02 AM   #78
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That is the nut strategy. Bravo.
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Old 07-11-2018, 10:10 AM   #79
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They used to call people back to the table at the Bicycle club in California.
The still do at the Oaks.

Or we cockblock walkers while they're trying to hit on pai gow dealers and then they storm back in a rage.

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you can't force anyone to play, but you could start picking people up more aggressively, especially for repeat offenders.
But why would you want that? Is their replacement going to be better for you than they are? (Not rhetorical - do you find that the best players walk more often, or the worst?)
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Old 07-11-2018, 11:46 AM   #80
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But why would you want that? Is their replacement going to be better for you than they are? (Not rhetorical - do you find that the best players walk more often, or the worst?)
They're about average probably. But I don't think it would make them stop playing, just make them stop walking less.

Personally I don't mind playing short, but others do, and the games I play are often in danger of breaking off people walk long.
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Old 07-11-2018, 12:25 PM   #81
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I don't think it would make them stop playing, just make them stop walking less.
I think you guys (predominantly winning, serious regs) are projecting what you would feel - "oh **** i am about to not be able to play" - onto a losing, flippant recreational player.

Pai gow has a seat open. Bar has a seat open. The threat of losing their poker seat may not even be a threat. Whenever I've seen people picked up, they never apologize or get mad. It's just, oh, I got picked up, where my chips at.

If there are players waiting to play, pick anybody up and let the new player join. The method by which that person is selected is kind of irrelevant. First walker, most consistent walker, person with the least chips, last person to answer a page, I don't think it matters. The people whose behaviors you want to change the most are the least likely to change*, and the people whose behaviors aren't that bad are the most likely to overadjust.

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* We used to locate a habitual walker (HW) in the building and pass his location to the floor. "Lobbiers back to Table 15. HW, return to your seat on Table 15. HW, return your seat on Table 15, we're picking you up. HW, seat 3 on pai gow table number 2, return to your seat on Table 15, we're picking you up." At which point he'd just not even face the floor and motion with his hand to the floor to pick him up.
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Old 07-11-2018, 02:00 PM   #82
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I think you guys (predominantly winning, serious regs) are projecting what you would feel - "oh **** i am about to not be able to play" - onto a losing, flippant recreational player.

Pai gow has a seat open. Bar has a seat open. The threat of losing their poker seat may not even be a threat. Whenever I've seen people picked up, they never apologize or get mad. It's just, oh, I got picked up, where my chips at.
In general I find that people went to the poker room because they wanted to spend part of the day playing poker. For some reason they've decided that they want to not play poker at that moment. If they'd wanted to go to a bar they'd have gone to a bar. So it's reasonable to think that getting picked up might be a disincentive.

That said I don't really get the motives of the chronic walkers (aside from getting comps, but that just means getting picked up is a disincentive or at least ending the freeroll).
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Old 07-14-2018, 08:08 PM   #83
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But why would you want that? Is their replacement going to be better for you than they are? (Not rhetorical - do you find that the best players walk more often, or the worst?)
IME it's the bad regs that walk a lot. They are never the best players at the table but often not the worst either. One of the chronic walkers in my room tends to buy in short and spew off stacks with TP meh kicker and weak draws but I'm still just as happy for him to be away from the table because he's consistently the most miserable prick I've ever met.

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That said I don't really get the motives of the chronic walkers (aside from getting comps, but that just means getting picked up is a disincentive or at least ending the freeroll).
Two reasons I guess at and they are both pretty sad.

One is that poker room is literally their social life but they know they are losing players so they limit their losses by walking and talking.

The other is that they kind of know they're a losing player but their identity is so strongly tied to being good at poker that they can't admit it to themselves. They spend time walking when they are 'running badly', waiting for their luck to turn.
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Old 07-15-2018, 05:10 PM   #84
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I think the best idea would be to have a 3rd man walking rule where you aggressively pick up the first walker. But I imagine the walkers would protest so much that it wouldn't last for long.
Good, tight player gets up to take a dump. Two players who hate playing with him because he is good and doesn't spew get up so that they pick up the first walker.

It's kind of like how some players are quick to point out if some unfun nit is third man walking, but will try to get the dealer to not enforce the rule if it is a fun player who is gone.
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Old 07-15-2018, 05:11 PM   #85
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Recommend that they not give hourly comps period.

Why would you want to encourage people to occupy seats? Fundamentally, that's why people occupy seats and then try to play as little as possible.

Instead, reward people who play. Hand out tokens for generating action, and those tokens can be redeemed for stuff.

One token for defending for being the only caller of a preflop raise! Two tokens for taking down a pot over 50 bb without showdown! Three tokens for the last aggressor every time someone scores a goooooooal / touchdown / home run!
That idea would make more sense in online poker as a replacement for rakeback.
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Old 07-15-2018, 10:15 PM   #86
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Good, tight player gets up to take a dump. Two players who hate playing with him because he is good and doesn't spew get up so that they pick up the first walker.

It's kind of like how some players are quick to point out if some unfun nit is third man walking, but will try to get the dealer to not enforce the rule if it is a fun player who is gone.
Well, I was envisioning them giving the walker some grace period, but still having him be the first one to get picked up. I don't think it would be that difficult to figure out when someone was trying to game the system to screw another player.

As it is, what if you really have to take a dump when there are already two players who have been gone a long time?
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Old 07-15-2018, 10:42 PM   #87
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Well, I was envisioning them giving the walker some grace period, but still having him be the first one to get picked up. I don't think it would be that difficult to figure out when someone was trying to game the system to screw another player.

As it is, what if you really have to take a dump when there are already two players who have been gone a long time?
If someone leaves the table, most rooms will say that player has x minutes to return before being picked up. I don't think it is fair to say you have x minutes, unless two other people get up, in which case you have less minutes. How would your grace period affect a player who lives ten minutes from the casino and runs home real quick to let the dogs out or perform some other errand that would normally have him back within that normal x minutes?

A system like Bravo can be used to track the breaks a player has been taken. I have played in a room where players complained about someone being gone, the floor checking the system, and telling the player that he has only been at the table for an exact number of minutes and threatening to pick up his chips if he keeps leaving the room.

I'm all for floors treating players like children and making sure they know they can't do whatever they want.

And, you really shouldn't have had the chili.
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