My friend and I went to casino and I was watching his table while I was waiting for my seat then this happens.... Player (A) gets it in with J8 vs player (B) with QQ, on a 5J8 flop, bottom two vs. overpair, turn bricks, river 5. Both players exposed hands on flop, finally dealer ships pot to player A. Nothing said from anyone at table including players involved in hand. Then while the next hand is being dealt player B finally realizes he won the hand, dealer is confused on what to do so he calls the floor over and the floor wants info on specifics of the board and what hands the players have ect.. Both players argue on the river card and if the board was paired and what the pot size was. So the floorperson rules that they should come to an aggreement on approx pot size and ship the pot to player B. Player A racks his chips and says no way im leaving, the floor has a talk with him away from table and ultimately the player leaves with the floor saying theres nothing he can do and the dealer made a mistake and the players should know where they are at with their hands. Being at a casino I figured there should be a more concrete ruling and something should of been done. Has anyone ever been in a similar situation? And what should of been the correct way to handle this ?

this is a tricky one because as the new hand started I believe the ruling for the last hand is final unless the player has attempted to stop the game

still usually


1.Management reserves the right to make decisions in the spirit of fairness, even if a strict interpretation of the rules may indicate a different ruling.
2.Decisions of the shift supervisor are final.

Since the floor ruled it is final, and it is the responsability of the floor to enforce his ruling

The player should ask casino for refund IMO

Thanks for the input

Every player has an obligation to make sure errors like the one described in the OP do not occur. In fact the rule says any player, dealer or floor person can and should speak up.

Cards speak, but some players think they should not speak up if they are not actually in the hand even if they know which is the best hand. I'm of the opinion that even a player watching the game, could speak up and point out the error about to be made.

if this is done while the cards are all still tabled so that the dealer and the players can verify the correct winning hand.

But the time to speak up is before the next hand is dealt. Waiting is fatal.

I agree that Rule 1 could be used but the facts have to support using that rule. If there is a dispute about what cards were on the board and what the pot size was then it's unlikely that you could apply fairness and "the best interest of the game" to the scenario.

Floor people cannot physically force someone to hand over money in a situation such as this. They can ban the player who refuses to pay up but that may not have happened in this case since there appears to be a dispute about the board cards.

I'm not casting doubt on what the OP says he saw, the floor was apparently given disputed information.

It's possible the floor offered the other player something in the way of compensation.

Normally, in my experience, complaints about pot sizes, splits, winners, etc. usually have to be raised before the first card of the next hand has been dealt. Once it is dealt, the previous hand is over and it's final, too late to change it (unless the players involved voluntarily agree to some sort of adjustment). Obviously, some rooms and floors may choose to handle this differently, but I believe the above is most common approach. I'd be curious to hear from others what they've seen and done.
I suppose you have to draw the line somewhere.

It is typically before the next hand that something has to be said.

Playing at the venetian a while back a similar thing happened. The board was mucked and put in the shuffle machine. I spoke up and said I thought a player had 2 pair and should have won. The floor came over and took the estimated pot size from the player who was awarded the pot. Security was called and based on the tapes decided that in fact the other play did have 2 pair and should have won. The estimate was $80 but actual pot was $84 so the other player was asked to pay 4 more dollars.

Play went on as normal after that. Whether it matters the next hand was dealt...I'm not sure. You'll have to ask someone more versed in the actual rules. Typically though any complaints have to be spoken before the next hand is dealt.

Well that is true in the exact statement, but really depending on the location the laws may support detaining and charging the villain. For example it is against the law in LV to welsh on a bet, not sure if its a felony or not, but I think it is.

Several years ago in the Wynn 5/10 game I was in a hand with a player who had a flag on the table in addition to chips of the game. We got it all in on the flop, the player had me covered by a little. I was distracted with a drink delivery and was stocked to see her chips in front me so fast... So I asked the dealer who broke the players flag, the dealer was like "what are you talking about...".

Long story short, the player went south with the flag and no one saw it, and no one really remembered for sure if it was there to begin with. The cameras are good enough in the Wynn that they were able to confirm the flag. The security held the player despite the player trying to split. She did not want to pay, and they basically told her the police would be called and that everyone would press charges. She paid up when the police showed up and confirmed she would be in deep **** if charges were pressed.

Something to keep in mind, in many (most?) rooms they have crap cameras in place, and most of them are really not set up to "protect the players" they are there to protect the room. They just don't spend the money on the cams unless they are at risk, and those that are at risk are generally the ones that have chips in a table bank like in LV rooms. Which if that is the case, in many rooms the camera only really focuses on that tray and can not see the rest of the table well enough to sort anything out like card suit or rank or pot size.

if nothing was done and it was on to the next hand, even if there are security cameras that could show the mistake, the money was shipped and cards were dealt for next hand. if anyone saw the mistake, including people off the felt who noticed the error, they needed to do it while the cards were still face up and the pot chips werent shipped to the wrong guy. i have seen the floor called to other tables at my regular for this, and the ruling has always been as above. i have never known of them to go to the camera, though i am sure it is possible

If the room follows RRoP strictly, the floor can do whatever they want(Rule 1). They can be guided by the rule above if they think that is fair.

Personally, the ruling by the floor opens a slippery slope I rather not get into. If you defend shipping the pot to Player B after the next deal has started, when has "too much time" taken place before Player B doesn't have a right to the money? If Player B goes all in vs. Player C and loses on the next hand, does Player C have to repay Player A?

I agree with you Venice as often
still I believe the floor has some sort of responsability to enforce its ruling (whether good or wrong) other wise I could just declare myself a winner take the chips and leave even if I have the loosing hand