I agree, the nut flush is defined as the best possible flush. However, we cannot call a straight flush the nut flush because it is not a flush, it is a straight flush! A different type of hand (just look at any hand ranking chart).

If we have an ace-high flush on a non-paired board (no straight flush possible) we call it the nuts. When the board is paired, we cannot call it the nuts, but we can still call it the nut flush. Similarly, if a straight flush is possible, we can't call it the nuts. But we still call it the nut flush.

Obviously this is only semantics and isn't that important, but hopefully you can see where most of us are coming from. I say most of us because I found this thread and most everyone agrees with me.

But but its is a flush. You can't say its not a flush. It just happens to be a flush that also makes a straight.

I don't agree with the "Similarly" in your paragraph above.

I do agree this is all semantics and isn't important.

Oh ok, then my full house is still good. Full house beats flush, ship the pot over here.

Found another thread. I read through the first half and was feeling good because everyone was agreeing with me and then of course in the bottom half everyone agreed with you. Just read that thread for yourself, there is nothing more to argue here. Clearly we are not the only ones to think differently about this. Still think I'm right though.

Ah no. Hands are ranked by probability of occurrence. Categories are just a memory aide to help us (mostly) remember the hand ranking.

Anyway (after reading the Wikipedia entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nut_flush) I now think that "nut hand" or "second nut hand" etc. are well defined, but "nut flush" "nut straight" although commonly used are not well defined.

Playing HU NL and it I have Qs9s and the flop comes 2s3s8s. We get it all in and he has the nutflush. Ts on turn, and Js on river for runner, runner straight flush.

I was once involved in a hand where three players (including me) flopped a club flush. I held the T, and I flopped the lowest of the three flushes.

The turn and river were also clubs. Thus, 11 of the 13 clubs in the deck were dealt to the three players involved in the hand and the board.

Twice last week, on two different nights, I was dealt pocket nines that I took to showdown and won the pots by completing a flush with one of the nines -- and both times I was dealt the same "winning" nine on the subsequent hand.

Wow, I saw this same thing the other day with the A. Dealer flipped it twice in a row for a misdeal. The third time, it ended up in my hand, along with another A.

Playing at Borgata a few days ago when the following occurred at a 1/2 table:

Myself and an opponent get it all-in on the turn with opponent on a draw. Board runs out straight. I have QQ tabled for a win when opponent says he missed and "I'm good". He throws his cards in front of him past the betting line face down and basically mucks. The dealer does not grab the cards to muck. The rest of the table begins to tell the guy to grab his cards and turn them over and that the board will play. The dealer still refuses to grab the folded cards and add them to the muck. The floor is called and the hand is then turned over for a chop. I lost $200 due to a split pot that could have been won had the dealer mucked the cards and other players not spoke up.

Thoughts on this scenario? Should other players not involved in a hand speak up for another player who failed to read the board. Should "retrievable" cards thrown in face down be allowed to play once other players assist a "weak" player? Should the floor have ruled that the cards should be allowed to play? And is the dealer at fault for not grabbing the mucked cards and placing them in the muck pile? Thoughts....

No. Warning for violating one player to a hand.

Unfortunately yes. The player may have caught his mistake on his own.

See above. Same question?

Yes.

I flopped the fourth best flush one time, but the last two spades didn't come out on the turn or river. We were the only ones in the hand as well. It was a limit game, so everyone ended up going to the river.

I once saw a guy tank on the river live 1/2 and then decided to call and he made the call tossing his stack forward he fell backwards on his chair kind of like example below.

People were laughing and it was funny because the guy won and when he fell backward there was some room so he didnt disturbanother table or anything like that.

Not too crazy. But have seen it a couple times.
AA vs AA. All in pre flop.
And someone wins with the flush.

Card rooms need to possibly start implementing stricter mucked hand rules to the effect of a release of cards in forward motion constitutes a muck. Too many players at the lower levels will start discussing boards after action is complete and player will then reach half way across table and turn hand up for some part or all of a pot.

Other day in 2/5nl I got dealt AA vs AA, all-in by the flop we chop.

next orbit in the same position, we both get dealt AA vs AA and all-in by the flop and we chop

next orbit we both get dealt KJ and we both turn a straight, all-in by the river and we chop

3 chops with the exact same hand in 3-orbits.

WTF, if the deck can do that, why waste it on chops... why not just deal us the Bad Beat Jackpot

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was it against the same player all three times now that would of been spooky but still crazy none the less

Runner, runner quad queens versus a set of kings.

Not sure this the rarest but it would have hurt to be this guy.

Guy #1 raises
Guy #2 pushes all in pre flop
Guy #1 calls.

Guy #1 AA
Guy #2 KJ

Flop is A K 2
Turn K
River K.

Guy #1 starts collecting pot and has to be told a few times that he didn't win.

This one kind of hurt.

Hero in BB with QQ.

Flop Q44. Turn 4, river 4

Villain AK.

ouch!

The rarest thing I've seen in a live poker table is a decent player, but I play low stakes in southern cali where 90% of the players like to GAMBOLLLLL!

This is one of those unfortunate hands where you should lose the minimum unless you are all in pre-flop.

Your right I did not lose all that much. With the preflop betting and a short stack ending up all in on the turn it was actually a pretty big pot that I missed. The guy with AK was on the button I was in the BB. On the river the AK guy actually checked it down, I don't think he realized he had the nuts.

2/5 Game. 4 Players decide to start a hand playing blind. Raise to 150....effective stacks were 800. The other 3 players call. Flop comes J52 rainbow. The primary raiser looks at his hole cards after some debate with the other 3 players. The second does the same. The last 2 players to act still never look. Action goes bet by initial raiser to 350, fold second to act, raise all-in to 800 by third player (who never looked) and then a long tank by the fourth player who still never looked but calls the all-in. The first to act then folds, and the remaining two players are all-in with blind hands. They appear to be friends. One player says: "I hope we split this pot" and both are seemingly apprehensive about the outcome. The board runs out 77. Both players agree to turn their cards over one at a time. The first player turns over an ace, the second an ace also. Then they turn over the second card, the first a jack, then the second player a jack also. Neither player ever looked at their hole cards prior to this. They end up splitting the pot!! The entire table laughs with complete astonishment saying the odds of this happening supercede the odds of being dealt a bad beat hand.