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What is your opinion about David Tuckman as a commentator ? What is your opinion about David Tuckman as a commentator ?

09-07-2010 , 09:06 AM
For those that love/hate Tuckman, he's doing commentary with Robert "OH MY GOSH!" Williamson for the Full Tilt Million Dollar Cash Game today through Thursday, should appear on Sky Sports early 2011?
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09-07-2010 , 09:43 AM
Tuckman also does some analyst work for Sky Sports for their NFL coverage.

Makes me sort of feel he's a "jack of all trades" kind of commentator. I'd rather my analysis be done by somebody who is reknowned for one field but I guess that might be too picky.

But Tuckman isn't horrible for me, there's just some I prefer out there.
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09-07-2010 , 10:22 PM
I think Tuckman is great. Everyone makes the odd mistake.
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09-08-2010 , 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by TopCat123
Tuckman also does some analyst work for Sky Sports for their NFL coverage.

Makes me sort of feel he's a "jack of all trades" kind of commentator. I'd rather my analysis be done by somebody who is reknowned for one field but I guess that might be too picky.

But Tuckman isn't horrible for me, there's just some I prefer out there.
He did on Nascar as well.
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09-08-2010 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by FatalError
I've met Tuckman before at a few epts and he's a really nice guy and a really great personality for radio slash tv/internet commentary but just like 99% of tv poker commentators he doesn't understand the game at our level, but if he did he'd be making way more playing poker at that level instead of discussing it.
nailed it
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09-08-2010 , 07:37 PM
I'll be the first to admit I'm not the best player in the world, but you have to understand that when we do a poker show, you aren't our audience (you should be), but we have to cater sometimes to the lowest common denominator.

We also don't really have the time to get into proper analysis when we're doing a TV show - unfortunately, our hands are tied. When I was only a professional poker player, I was the first one to throw the commentators under the bus....When you do it, you realize that sometimes, it's akin to playing basketball with one hand tied behind your back.

If you think I'm annoying, that's cool - first rule of commentary regardless of the sport/game is that you'll never ever please everyone so no point in trying. That being said, I'm always up for constructive criticism. Feel free to post here or IM me....

As for poker playing, I understand poker on a fairly deep level. Am I the best? certainly not, but I'd put my understanding of the game up against almost anyone. Do I make mistakes? all the time....but usually I'll talk about the hands I play with my poker playing friends and we'll come up with a reason why my 'line' did or didn't maximize my EV.

As for making mistakes, a lot of the shows we do are live and when you do 8-12 hours of commentary, s**t happens. Mistakes happen. It's not that I don't see it or hear it later and bemoan my own mistake - just something that happens sometimes. Think about it...How often do you make a mistake when you play? ....and then after you realize the mistake you made? ....same goes for me, but once I make the mistake analyzing a hand, it's out for everyone to hear.

I'm fairly active on 2 + 2 and very happy to speak with anyone about the business of poker or strategy or anything else to be honest.

btw, watch the WSOPE - I'll be doing live commentary on ESPN 3 ---- feel free to send in your hate mail
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09-08-2010 , 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by FriarTuck
I'll be the first to admit I'm not the best player in the world, but you have to understand that when we do a poker show, you aren't our audience (you should be), but we have to cater sometimes to the lowest common denominator.

We also don't really have the time to get into proper analysis when we're doing a TV show - unfortunately, our hands are tied. When I was only a professional poker player, I was the first one to throw the commentators under the bus....When you do it, you realize that sometimes, it's akin to playing basketball with one hand tied behind your back.

If you think I'm annoying, that's cool - first rule of commentary regardless of the sport/game is that you'll never ever please everyone so no point in trying. That being said, I'm always up for constructive criticism. Feel free to post here or IM me....

As for poker playing, I understand poker on a fairly deep level. Am I the best? certainly not, but I'd put my understanding of the game up against almost anyone. Do I make mistakes? all the time....but usually I'll talk about the hands I play with my poker playing friends and we'll come up with a reason why my 'line' did or didn't maximize my EV.

As for making mistakes, a lot of the shows we do are live and when you do 8-12 hours of commentary, s**t happens. Mistakes happen. It's not that I don't see it or hear it later and bemoan my own mistake - just something that happens sometimes. Think about it...How often do you make a mistake when you play? ....and then after you realize the mistake you made? ....same goes for me, but once I make the mistake analyzing a hand, it's out for everyone to hear.

I'm fairly active on 2 + 2 and very happy to speak with anyone about the business of poker or strategy or anything else to be honest.

btw, watch the WSOPE - I'll be doing live commentary on ESPN 3 ---- feel free to send in your hate mail
At any rate I have respect for your response to criticism. I have to say my opinion was definitely altered (perhaps wrongly) by the fact I'd seen you providing analysis for the NFL converage too. I'm a UK NFL fan and I enjoyed watching your work on there and when I got into poker, I was a bit like "wait a minute, he's the NFL guy!"

You know information TV on SKY? All the show constantly is the European Cash Game. I've seen it over and over. Your discussions with Eric Liu and Albert Iverson are actually really good viewing by the way, I enjoyed it a lot.
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09-10-2010 , 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by TopCat123
At any rate I have respect for your response to criticism. I have to say my opinion was definitely altered (perhaps wrongly) by the fact I'd seen you providing analysis for the NFL converage too. I'm a UK NFL fan and I enjoyed watching your work on there and when I got into poker, I was a bit like "wait a minute, he's the NFL guy!"

You know information TV on SKY? All the show constantly is the European Cash Game. I've seen it over and over. Your discussions with Eric Liu and Albert Iverson are actually really good viewing by the way, I enjoyed it a lot.
I can understand that...hard to believe someone would know there S**t about two or three different things. I spend way too much time watching and analyzing sports and poker. Suppose, there's a reason why I'm single
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09-11-2010 , 05:48 PM
Did actually very good job this last wcoop ep razz 215 buyinn. Explained many parts of the game, good job hope you keep it up. The problem i had with some of last year episodes or year before were you made some negative comments about very normal playes like you didnt understand them. In this razz ep you were on target again well done.
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09-12-2010 , 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by FriarTuck
I can understand that...hard to believe someone would know there S**t about two or three different things. I spend way too much time watching and analyzing sports and poker. Suppose, there's a reason why I'm single
Can't argue with sports and poker, I'd take your job in a heartbeat! Where did you go on the nfl coverage anyway? Don't remember seeing you on there in a while.
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09-13-2010 , 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by TopCat123
Can't argue with sports and poker, I'd take your job in a heartbeat! Where did you go on the nfl coverage anyway? Don't remember seeing you on there in a while.
I'm kind of the 4th man in a 3-man band...I'll be on next week though at 6pm on Sky.
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09-13-2010 , 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by molinn9
Did actually very good job this last wcoop ep razz 215 buyinn. Explained many parts of the game, good job hope you keep it up. The problem i had with some of last year episodes or year before were you made some negative comments about very normal playes like you didnt understand them. In this razz ep you were on target again well done.
Fair enough...thanks for the feedback - I do appreciate it.
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09-13-2010 , 03:40 AM
OH MY GOD!!!!! in unison with robert williamson was pretty ****ing funny
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09-13-2010 , 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by FriarTuck
I'm kind of the 4th man in a 3-man band...I'll be on next week though at 6pm on Sky.
Oh right ok, I'll be watching, love the NFL! And that "OMG" was kind of what everyone was just thinking lol
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09-13-2010 , 09:43 AM
All I've seen from the MDCG is the Ivey/Durr $1.1M hand, those commentators seemed awesome.
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02-04-2011 , 10:32 AM
i disagree entirely with OP. funny how the worst criticism he could come up with was one example of live commentary where he didn't mention a couple extra outs that somebody had. and that he's "not funny".

well, this kinda came up in the mirrion dorrar cash game due to how horrible RWIII is, i just voiced an opinion as somebody who plays for a living so i will x-post here-

i very much enjoy you and james wealthall's contributions to the weekly sunday million/wcoop/scoop events. i'm trying hard to think of any criticism that i can give you but i'm coming up empty, you don't have any habits that i find really tilting (this is an impressive accomplishment fwiw) so these are the things i like about your commentary-

-you're obviously a decent player at the very least as you understand concepts like balancing, merging, deception, etc, but you don't strike me as egotistical or dishonest with yourself about your own abilities
-you do a good job of rationalizing players' decisions in terms of value and hand ranges, avoiding old livedonk catchphrases (betting "for info" or "to protect", lol), but keeping it simple enough that a casual player shouldn't really ever be lost or overwhelmed
-you generally condemn passive play and aren't afraid to call out a bad or questionable play for what it is
-when you predict or anticipate what a player is going to do, you have a quick and rational justification to go along with it, as a viewer it's not really fun to play a game that centers around how many times you can be completely wrong in an episode (unlike RWIII)
-your voice doesn't tilt me
-your excitement isn't forced
-you respect the online breed
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02-04-2011 , 03:40 PM
he has the gift of a great tone as another poster said and his own style/sense of humour, like other good commentators such as kaplan, and i think his knowledge of the game is better then any commentator other then galfond and ike, and maybe gabe or bart, but infinitely better then say, nejad or lon mcheron. could he beat the 10/20 at commerce? maybe, maybe not, but i like how he naturally thinks at a higher level then most announcers - example, while a lot of announcers like the idea of an information bet because they can't grasp various important theoretical aspects of the game, dave is in tune enough and correctly says things like, 'now our opponent can play correctly against us', or 'don't we WANT our opponent to bluff us?' or he will have an open mind about lines to take and say things like, 'could he rep hearts here and shove this river?" whether he knows of the spots to go for thin value or the exact spot to shove the river is irrelevant because for the purposes of announcing, putting the viewer on the right track is the most important thing, and dave does that - and therefore he isn't giving out misinformation about poker, which many other commentators do, because they don't really understand the game so they sometimes unknowingly talk like they are a beginner themselves, which can be tilting.

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02-04-2011 , 08:43 PM
he doesn't know anything about the game so the pros will love him cause he does not educate the fish cause he is one himself while people like myself find him boring.... the guy from the pokerstars biggame(forgot his name), ike & jesse may imo are the best commentators
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02-04-2011 , 09:06 PM
I like dave's commentary. he rocks
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02-04-2011 , 09:09 PM
who the tuck is he??
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02-04-2011 , 09:59 PM
I remember when he was doing live at the bike most people here were saying how good commentators he and Bart were
what happened?
Some one mentioned Sexton earlier IMO he is one of the best people for the poker industry right now he has the social skills to talk to the masses and bring more people in
That's the long term view you guys seem to miss constantly on here
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02-04-2011 , 10:20 PM
I've always enjoyed Dave as a commentator on PS streaming shows, and I like him on L@TB. It's really impressed me that he comes in here and interacts with the forum, he's gracious about accepting criticism and sounds like a real professional.

Keep in mind, David (and all commentators) are employees. Some of the things you may not like about his comments might be the fault of his boss... Tuckman has to work within the framework provided, yet he still has to take crap from people about things he himself might dislike.
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02-05-2011 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Exothermic
he doesn't know anything about the game so the pros will love him cause he does not educate the fish cause he is one himself while people like myself find him boring.... the guy from the pokerstars biggame(forgot his name), ike & jesse may imo are the best commentators
if you like jesse may, your opinion officially doesnt count
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02-07-2011 , 03:10 AM
David Tuckman can't even beat $.50/1 stakes.
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02-07-2011 , 03:42 AM
I like him. He is a good announcer. Good energy.
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