Fools - mostly means

Newer players, or nice/trusting people

I'm happy to protect them from scum that will misdeclare/etc

I think best hand should win at showdown

And that angle shooters should not get free rolls [re 4h 4h]

But then I'm a winning player and seem a lot more calm/happy - than most of the regs that go day after day [and seem to be losing] - so I know I'm in the minority here

someone playing in a poker game where you can bet hundreds of dollars or more on a card should have to be aware of all the rules and actions needed to play. if he doesnt bother to learn them or poo poo's them off he will learn soon with the penalties of paying for his mistakes.

on the opposite end with players in the smallest of the tourist games then the dealer is supposed to protect and teach them and guide them. so they dont make those mistakes and if they do are not penalized for the minor ones.

You get new players in all levels [sizes] of games

So it's not true that only smaller games have new players

And to say they 'haven't bothered to learn the rules' - is to not understand that players have different wealth - why should they [brand new players] know the rules more just because they play at a casino where the smallest game is 5/10

I play high stakes and often have brand new players [casino and private games]

The dealer is not suppose to protect/teach new players, as there are OPTAH issues

You will find some dealers that will 'help' newer players

But as soon as they start handing back hands [in BB] when they fold not facing a bet, you will get complaints from other players... so it is better practice to take the hand [mucked] and explain that they could have checked, for the future...


Maybe even should of [as they are breaking a rule in folding not facing a bet, but that's another discussion]

They can guide on options/etc - but no, not on anything that hits OPTAH rules

*sigh* angleshooters gonna angleshoot.

Proven YET again by OP...

OP claims to be honest, but if you even have to ask the question 'We have a fouled deck and only I know....should I try and knowingly exploit the fouled deck?', then yes, OP may need to reset their ethical compass.

Not sure if honest or too dumb but if I found myself in this situation without having ever thought about it before I would instantly table my hand in expectation of the lol's.

btw resetting your ethical compass when you contemplate unethical decisions seems like solid advice...

Spending a lot of time and energy on a question that in all likelyhood will not happen in a major establishment in your lifetime.

Certainly more likely in a smaller underground room or game, or a friendly home game. Even there most hosts check the decks to avoid this kind of thing most of the time. I have seen it exactly once , years ago ,at a free bar league and it caused quite a scene with some help from beverages. Never seen it any place else I don't think.

Hey, we are 50% more likely to hit a set (3 remaining 4s instead of 2). Raise!

(Serious--just call a misdeal asap)

(Not serious-can we try and claim we only saw the top of the 2nd four and thought is was 4d?, of course if we shove in a weird spot and get called our claim is likely to be viewed with high suspicion).

Seriously bad for your reputation if you're in the spot of having to explain yourself here. Your reputation should be worth more than the free-roll prospect. And, if you're jamming with the 4's as a bluff, an intelligent floor might not see it your way.

It's not impossible for a card manufacturer or someone along the line to make a mistake, even in an established poker room. So, I'd say the chance of it happening at say, the Wynn, are non-zero, just so small that it'll almost certainly not happen to anyone playing, even if they played 50 hrs a week for 50 weeks a year for 50 years, or 125,000 hours.

If there were zero risk of being caught or facing repercussions, I would question what this means about your character. If you are a person (and there are some on 2+2 who think that poker is business and a dollar is a dollar) that would trade your integrity for EV? At the end of the day, a few dollars more or less won't make a huge difference in your life, but your character and self respect are assets beyond measurable value.

spewing is right on. i am one for using all i can to win the money as long as it is within the rules and within the realm of decency.
your rep follows you forever in poker as its a small community and the players are around till they die off.
so this spot even though its a freeroll in most places should not be used.

What’s the ruling:

Huge pot, 4-6 players all in, multiple side pots. Get to the river and start pushing the side pots, get to the main pot and the shortest stack rolls over 4h4h? Most the money has already been pushed to players.

Does decision change if short stack went all in blind (the classic lost all my chips on the last hand except for a few BBs, I’m just gonna shove them in blind pre flop)


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in a fouled deck all chips are returned to the players. that is the best all encompassing rule without putting a lot of exceptions into it.

Most of the chips are already pushed into various stacks. What if you can’t rewind action?


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you recreate the pot as best as you can if there is a ruling of a voided hand.

this is not an excuse. pots get pushed to the wrong people all the time.

From the Aria 250k high roller cash game in 2015. Hand ended after flop bet and pot pushed, without any of the pros or dealer saying anything, then floor came over to tell them.

Here's the thread on it.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...93/index3.html

Here's a post from the livestream thread that captures the flop.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=855

Edit. Found YouTube link

https://youtu.be/uC_-YFhGjug

^ Thanks, not suprised that it has happened rarely in a casino game or event. Just very rare indeed. OP was about what you should do if it happens and I think the answer is still to report a fouled deck and get it replaced right away.

From first link... is that Polk as in Doug Polk?

Pretty sure it's James Polk, 11th President of the United States.

If you knew there was an extra queen in the deck, it'd change your play. It nosebleed high stakes, I'd say there's a minute chance that someone put it in to give another player an advantage.

Like Stalin said, "It's not who votes that counts. It's who counts the votes."

Nope. Dee, the sarcastic sister from What's Happening!!

Want to make sure I'm reading correctly: are you advocating cheating and then lying about it if caught?