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Old 04-29-2020, 06:32 AM   #1
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What would be the most useful languages to learn as a poker player?

I'm interested in learning a new language.

One of the factors I'd like to consider when choosing, is how useful this new language would be at the live poker tables. I'm most interested in large live MTT's.

Dutch is my native language.
English I consider my second language.
French is my third language, I'm from Belgium, half our country speaks French, I'm not great at it, but I'm working on it.

I'd be interested in maybe picking up one more language.
Or maybe I'll focus on French first, but I'll probably still want to pick up another language sometime in the future.

My main concern is how useful this new language is going to be, so I'm looking at the most used languages worldwide.

Mandarin is definitely at the top, but I'm not sure how useful this would be anywhere outside of China.
Also not sure how much poker is available in China.
I'm honestly not very familiar with other cultures.

Japanese is at the top of the list too, I watch a lot of anime, so that's a plus, but I think I'm more into Chinese culture for some reason, though I don't really know much about either.

Spanish seems like a good choice as well.
This would definitely be useful at the poker tables and Spain is actually pretty close to Belgium.
There are plenty of other countries where they speak Spanish as well, though not sure how similar the language is spoken in each country.

Portuguese seems like an option as well. Should be pretty similar to Spanish?
Why would I pick this over Spanish, or the other way around?

Arabic is definitely an option, but I'm very confused on how many forms there are, how similar they are and which one would be most interesting for me to learn.

Hindi maybe? Though it doesn't really do much for me. Feel free to convince me why this would be a good pick.

Russian might be an option, it's pretty close, but I'm not sure how many people outside of Russia actually speak it and I have no real interest in going to Russia at the moment.

German could be an option, though I really don't like how the language sounds. It's right next to Belgium though, we even have a small part of Belgium that speaks German.
Should be fairly easy to learn as well, since it's very similar to Dutch.


I think that's about it.
Would love to hear some thoughts and opinions on these languages.
Feel free to suggest others as well.
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Old 04-29-2020, 07:14 AM   #2
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Re: What would be the most useful languages to learn as a poker player?

If you want to learn one that might have a huge benefit for the rest of your life, it’s definitely Mandarin. I’m business, China is already everywhere and its importance is only going to expand.

For poker in Europe specifically, speaking at least some French is important because otherwise you’re going to get F’ed over when playing in their casinos.

As you already said, German should be fairly easy to learn. I speak German and understand a lot of things when reading Dutch. That should work the other way round, too.

For me living in the US, #1 AINEC would be Spanish. Kinda sucks that I don’t.
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Old 04-29-2020, 07:21 AM   #3
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Re: What would be the most useful languages to learn as a poker player?

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my second language.
sick brag

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my third language
sicker brag.

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I'd be interested in maybe picking up one more language.
even sicker brag


sometimes I wish I wasn't from Murica where very few speak anything other than English, unless you live in Miami where very few speak anything other than Spanish.

But yeah, agree with above, if learning another language for utility/usefulness/marketabiloty Mandarin for sure as I am not sure any language will have that much edge over another in poker. From the very little I learned about Chinese culture I found it fascinating. Eastern cultures have many things right vs the Westenr, eespecially around health/well being/medicine, religion, etc

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Old 04-29-2020, 07:25 AM   #4
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Re: What would be the most useful languages to learn as a poker player?

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Oh, not the intention at all
"Everyone" in Belgium speaks English & French, a lot of people even speak a 4th language fluently.

I'm actually pretty bad at French ...

Guess when you live in America there's very little need to learn a 2nd language?
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Old 04-29-2020, 09:09 AM   #5
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I'm actually pretty bad at French ...
Because nobody likes that language

My hometown is right at the boarder to France. Almost everyone hated that we had to take French for at least 5 years in high school. For someone who studied that language for 7 years with OKish grades, my French is embarrassingly bad. If I had tried a little harder, I might be able to understand other customers at Home Depot.
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Old 04-29-2020, 09:26 AM   #6
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Oh, not the intention at all
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I know. I was more making light of that fact that percentage of people who speak multi languages much larger throughout the world than in US.

that's an area we def are lacking.

well that and online poker.

well affordable Health Care too.

other than that we all good.
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Old 04-29-2020, 11:10 AM   #7
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Re: What would be the most useful languages to learn as a poker player?

I'm studying French and it's ridiculously hard
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Old 04-29-2020, 12:18 PM   #8
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Give Esperanto a try, I'm sure it is still on pace to be the great universal language
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Old 04-29-2020, 12:55 PM   #9
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Re: What would be the most useful languages to learn as a poker player?

Article on the degree of difficulty in learning different languages from an English point of view.

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/l...ess/index.html

Probably best to pick an easier one.
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Old 04-29-2020, 03:01 PM   #10
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Article on the degree of difficulty in learning different languages from an English point of view.

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/l...ess/index.html

Probably best to pick an easier one.
From that link about German:
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One of my German teachers used to joke that it takes you a year to say, "I'm traveling on the bus," but once you're on that bus, it's plain sailing.
With nouns that are masculine, feminine and neutral, verbs that conjugate heavily and an extremely strict syntax, German may appear insurmountable to start with.
On the other hand, pronunciation and spelling is straightforward and once you learn the -- admittedly many -- rules, that's it.
You'll also realize why Germans never interrupt you during a conversation: they're waiting to hear the verb at the end to figure out what you were talking about.
That sums it up perfectly.

After a year of intensive courses in language school, up to level C1, my wife knew the vast majority of rules but was still unable to read a restaurant menu because all that school had focused on where those many rules. If you just learn the vocabulary, people will look at you funny but at least youre able to get your point through to them.
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Old 04-30-2020, 03:09 AM   #11
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Re: What would be the most useful languages to learn as a poker player?

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Article on the degree of difficulty in learning different languages from an English point of view.

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/l...ess/index.html

Probably best to pick an easier one.
I thought Dutch was a hard language! Guess not?

That link really doesn't like Mandarin though, the tones part has me seriously worried. I could probably do it, but doesn't sound easy.
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Old 04-30-2020, 03:26 AM   #12
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Re: What would be the most useful languages to learn as a poker player?

Mandarin speakers are everywhere, if you can pull that off it will be very useful.

Spanish is widespread especially in the Americas, and will help you understand some Italian.

German will also let you understand Yiddish, which probably won't help you most places but would be great in New York.
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German will also let you understand Yiddish, which probably won't help you most places but would be great in New York.
And Pennsylvania Dutch, if you ever get into an Amish underground game..

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I thought Dutch was a hard language! Guess not?
Not from the perspective of a native English speaker. They are both West Germanic languages and it’s obviously always easiest to learn something from the same language family. The only reason why German is a little more difficult to learn than English or Dutch is the huge amount of extra rules.

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Old 04-30-2020, 08:29 AM   #14
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Re: What would be the most useful languages to learn as a poker player?

@Yeodan I thought most Belgians speak French and only in Flanders do they speak Flemish and not Dutch? It is it that Flemish and Dutch are almost the same language?
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Old 04-30-2020, 08:37 AM   #15
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@Yeodan I thought most Belgians speak French and only in Flanders do they speak Flemish and not Dutch? It is it that Flemish and Dutch are almost the same language?
Flemish is a dialect of Dutch.
It mostly just sounds different, a few words are different, but it's 95% the same.
There are a lot of different "Flemish" accents as well, some so different that even I cannot understand most of it. This is mostly in the West of Flanders.
But we all learn "Dutch" in school and can all adjust to some form of language where we're capable of understanding each other, including everyone from the Netherlands as far as I know.

The official language of Belgium is Dutch.
60% of Belgium speaks Dutch
50% speak French
0.7% speak German
(A lot of people speak both languages, and probably everyone does at least a little.)
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Old 04-30-2020, 10:30 AM   #16
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Flemish is a dialect of Dutch.
It mostly just sounds different, a few words are different, but it's 95% the same.
There are a lot of different "Flemish" accents as well, some so different that even I cannot understand most of it. This is mostly in the West of Flanders.
But we all learn "Dutch" in school and can all adjust to some form of language where we're capable of understanding each other, including everyone from the Netherlands as far as I know.

The official language of Belgium is Dutch.
60% of Belgium speaks Dutch
50% speak French
0.7% speak German
(A lot of people speak both languages, and probably everyone does at least a little.)


Interesting I work for French company and we have a decent number of French Belgians so assumed French was slightly more common. Also my mom as a child right after WWII lived in Flanders for a few years before immigrating with her family to the US. They spoke Flemish and at the time it seemed more distinct to Dutch.

If I where you Id speak work on being fluent in French, probably most bang for your buck.

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Old 04-30-2020, 10:33 AM   #17
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If I where you Id speak work on being fluent in French, probably most bang for your buck.
Yeah going to do that for sure.
The new language is more of a long term thing.
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If you were going to California or Vegas to play poker, I'd suggest Vietnamese.
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Old 06-18-2020, 02:30 AM   #19
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Re: What would be the most useful languages to learn as a poker player?

"Check", "Bet", "Call", "Raise", "(insert currency amount here)".

In theory, you could learn all of this in every language (including dead ones). What the **** else is there to say at the table?
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Old 06-18-2020, 10:35 AM   #20
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Re: What would be the most useful languages to learn as a poker player?

In theory, you don't even have to learn those words if you handle/move your chips properly.

However, I don't think OP wanted to learn a new language for the poker table only.
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If you were going to California or Vegas to play poker, I'd suggest Vietnamese.

Learning to understand Filipino or Vietnamese accented would help more.
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