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What problems exist with the 1-chip call rule? What problems exist with the 1-chip call rule?

05-19-2018 , 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by dinesh
I don't really care about slowing the game down. I care about P1 saying all in and then throwing in just a chip/stack "for the cameras", the P2 calling by throwing in the same size chip/stack, then finding out later that P1 was all-in and hadn't just bet the chip/stack.

Again, that is a terrible awful rule. The PRM should be shot for creating it. It is NEVER a good idea to allow a player to make a bet then put a different amount of chips in than the bet he just made. It creates unnecessary ambiguity.

As psand said, if they do actually go "to the cameras", it will look like a bet and call of that chip/stack, not an all-in. Unless they also throw out the all-in lammer, in which case, what was the point of putting in chips too other than confusing P2?
Hey, I'm not arguing with you. I just play in the room, I'm not part of the incompetent management team that runs the place.

As for the actual question this thread was built around. I have no problem whatsoever with the one chip call/shove. I'm not here trying to convince anyone of it or to claim that it's a better procedure than the alternatives, it's just my opinion on the subject.
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05-25-2018 , 01:40 PM
Psandman-- you quoted your room rule for under call's as follows:

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Short Call: A short call of a bet or raise, without a verbal declaration of intent, in which chips have been released into the pot must be completed to the size of the original wager or forfeited. With verbal declaration of a call a player short calling will be forced to call the full amount.
Does your rulebook really not have such a rule? if I am facing a bet of $100 can I drop in $95 and then say .... oh never mind I'm not calling and take it back?"

So Does that mean in your room if a player silently tosses out a $1 chip facing a $500 all in, that he has the option of simply forfeiting the $1 chip?
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05-25-2018 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverine
Psandman-- you quoted your room rule for under call's as follows:

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Short Call: A short call of a bet or raise, without a verbal declaration of intent, in which chips have been released into the pot must be completed to the size of the original wager or forfeited. With verbal declaration of a call a player short calling will be forced to call the full amount.
Does your rulebook really not have such a rule? if I am facing a bet of $100 can I drop in $95 and then say .... oh never mind I'm not calling and take it back?"

So Does that mean in your room if a player silently tosses out a $1 chip facing a $500 all in, that he has the option of simply forfeiting the $1 chip?
Yes..... But ......


I just didn't quote the exceptions that follow but here they are

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The option of forfeiting a short call of a bet or a raise is no longer available
once a player behind him has acted.
And

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If the short-caller is closing off action for that hand, the option of
forfeiting the call and folding is no longer available, and that player will
be forced to call the full amount.
I don't actually like the way this rule is written but I have no say in that.

I have no issue with releasing a player from a mistake if doing so can be done causing harm to the opponent. The exceptions above act to address that.
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