why didn't MP win?

Sorry, typed that after a long session and 2 hour drive home. He had some sort of draw that didn't hit.

At Encore, Boston a couple of years ago playing 1-2 NL

Guy sits to my immediate right and goes thru almost 2 buy ins of $300 each. He never called a river bet which was weird....

After another no call on river, dealer pushes pot to winner.

Player says " How could he win, he only used one of his down cards ?

Dealer: "He can use one, two or none of his down cards"

Player: "Oh"

Good story, let’s just say he had J7 instead.

Many years ago when the Imperial Palace actually had a halfway decent poker room.

Anyway, I am playing $1-$2. Early in the session during a hand the guy to my left starts tapping his foot on the ground and the whole side the the table starts to shake. I start to wonder if something is wrong with him. After the hand is over (he wins) the shaking stops.

Eventually I figure out that his leg starts shaking everytime he has a big hand. Either preflop (aces, kings, etc...) or he hits a straight or something. It is almost like he cannot wait for action to get to him so he can bet so he starts to tap his foot.

We are both at the table for a few hours. As the night gets later, a couple of the players to our right get really drunk. Another drunk sits down at the table and the action gets really juicy. Chips are flying, everyone is rebuying multiple times. There are lots of chips on the table and I build up a huge stack over $2000. The guy to my left also builds a huge stack. I have him covered, but not by much.

Unfortunately, like many juicy action games, the one downside is that the pace of play is really slow. The three drunk guys are slowing down the game and a few of the other players are not doing much better. It gets to the point where the dealer literally starts to keep his hand in front of whomever the action is on and even then it is slow.

A hand is dealt and I look at my cards and see a beautiful As Qs. The first drunk to act takes a minute or so and eventually raises a small amount (maybe $10). The 2nd drunk looks at his cards and starts to slowly think. While he is trying to figure out his action, the leg of the guy next to me starts tapping. As it dawns on me what that means, the 2nd drunk makes it $100. A player folds and the 3rd drunk goes into the tank. He actually has a decent stack (around $700 or so). The whole time he is tanking, the foot of the guy to my left is going 100 mph. I cam literally feel his foot tapping through the concrete floor.

The 3rd drunk then decides to go all in for his $700.

Normally this is an insta call (raise) as I am quite sure I AQs is far ahead of the ranges of the 3 drunks. However the guy to my left's leg is tapping like crazy. I know this means he has a good hand. At best I am flipping if he has JJ. More likely I am crushed by AA, KK, QQ or AK. I try and imagine any scenario where I could get him to fold if I shove, but I keep coming back to his foot tapping. I take a really long time to think it through trying to justify a call/raise. Finally I sigh and toss my hand. As I toss my hand the guy insta-mucks and says "my wife just paged me I have to call her." and gets up and runs away from the table.

I am sitting there stunned like WTF. Action folds around and of course all three drunks get it all in and show down 67hh, pocket 6's, and J10 offsuit and of course an Ace hits the flop. I am silently pissed off as I watch a $1200 pot pushed to one of the drunks.

Reads are great until they are not.

This reminds me of a game I played in Hamburg Germany a decade or so ago. Drunk guy comes in and sits down at the 1/2 must-move. He puts out a 25 euro chip every hand. After a few hands, I 3-bet, reg to my left calls, everyone else folds to the new guy. He waves his hands over his cards. The dealer tells him the bet is now <whatever I 3-bet to, I don't remember>. He says "OK, but I don't want anymore cards" and throws in calling chips. That's when we figured out he thought he was playing blackjack.

He actually stayed at the table and we taught him the rules of NLHE. Guy was a gold mine. Idiot reg kept insulting him for not understanding the rules and slowing down the game, of course. After he ran the guy off, I was never so happy to bust someone as when said reg three-bet shoved over my flop raise about 300BB deep.

JimL, I feel for you. That sucks! (Loved the old Imperial Palace room. Flop a Lock!)

Is PokerBunny thing the most inane and vapid thing in the poker universe or is it just me?

There are only two people in the world who drive me crazy the way they look at their hand: PokerBrat and PokerBunny. I sincerely hope they meet at a final table somewhere, fall in love and get married, and don't have any kids.

I’m waiting for my seat yesterday..

OMC goes up to the floor doing the male Karen dance.

I can’t help but hear what’s going on. I try to ignore it but sweet gems keep coming out.

So the OMC-Karen is working himself up because he thinks someone went north at his table. He demands they go check the video.

The floor abides in order to shut up male Karen. They check the tape and confirm the accused player doubled up and was moved from another table and was able to bring his full stack.

The floor even goes so far to say to the guy that the player has sucked out in someone at his first table and they berated his play so he changed to male Karen’s table. (The floor basically tells him you want this guy to be at your table wo actually telling him)

So then Male Karen starts asking for the manager and then proceeds to ask for gaming commission…

Then the argument turns into how the 1-2 game has a 500cap. Male Karen says all the other casinos he frequents have 2-300 cap. The floor politely pushes back and says most people prefer the 500cap. (I think in my head it’s the only time I play 1-2 bc the game plays like a hybrid 1-2 2-5)

Then the most predictable thing happens and make Karen’s threatens to withhold his business.

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The funny part happens when I talk to the floor and dealers later and they’re all confused saying how most people want big stacks on the table they’re playing on to you know win more money.

I guess it’s funny to think OMCs hating big and intimidating stacks.

Usually passive aggressive behavior annoys the hell out of me but this was brilliant! Kudos on your ability to not tilt with him.

With apologies to Arthur Clarke ..........

Do it once and you're a wit. Do it twice and you're a half-wit. Do it again and you're a dim-wit/nit-wit/etc.

It's a geometric progression

(sorry)

love it

Playing local 1/3 game a few years back and an action player sits down. We get chatting about this huge prop bet he made with someone, that Trump would not make it through his first term before being removed from office. It was a six-figure bet. Anyway, he starts talking about drugs and asks if I did any. I said no, because I'm crazy enough already.

"Are you sure?" he asks, and pulls out a plastic sandwich bag full of narcotics in plain view for the entire table to see. "You want some molly? Just try it."

I lost my sht.

lololololol

did anyone at the table say anything?

I think everyone was dumbfounded and speechless. (I told him to put the bag of colorful pills away.)

UNFRIENDED

Playing 2/2 PLO with $5 rock and a poker friend is on my immediate left. I have 10 6 XX and we see a flop of 7 8 9 multiway. I obviously check, my friend bets, folds to me. I wind up checkraising her and she goes into the tank trying to get me to talk about my hand. The current high hand on the board for $1,000 is a smaller straight flush, but I don't want to say anything and have them have a reason to disqualify me, so I just clam up.

She eventually makes the call, but winds up folding to my turn bet (I think her recollection was the board paired on the turn, but I don't recall that at all, it's been awhile though). I turn over my hand but because my hand wasn't tabled until 15 seconds after the new high hand period I'm now eligible only for the $500 high hand (they were rotating everyone from 1K to $500) and I have to hold up for 30 minutes to boot.

But the funny part is that she immediately gets upset that I checkraised her because we're "friends" and goes to Facebook, unfriends and blocks me, and proceeds to complain how I should give her the money back from her calling my flop checkraise (she had A J XX).

So she felt she was not only entitled to me softplaying her or outright telling her I had a straight flush, but also my returning any money she lost to me. She then posted on a local poker group on Facebook complaining about the situation and got torn into pretty badly.

DRUNK BUDDIES

It's about 2am and I have a drunk buddy on the table behind me busting my chops. Another drunk buddy shows up and sits at my table on my left. He hears Buddy #1 poking fun and puts him arm over my shoulder and says "hey, this is my friend and if anyone has a problem with him, I'll fight ya, and I love to fight".

So of course Drunk #1, being drunk and all, feels he's being challenged and says "you got a problem with me bro???!!" and they both immediately jump up from their seats and get into a shouting match with one another. I'm trying to calm them both down since I'm buddies with both, but you know drunks, can't be reasoned with.

Eventually the floor and security send them both packing with a 24 hour ban. Drunk #2 starts texting me, asking me to tell Drunk #1 to meet him in the parking lot so they can fight. I say "he's already left" and he replies "text him" and I say "I don't have his number" and he replies "can you get it?". Dude was just spoiling for a rumble. Never had two dudes fight over me at the tables before :P

NOT QUITE RIGHT IN THE HEAD

Playing in the private higher stakes room with two tables. There are lounge chairs and tables against the wall near the first table where people waiting for a seat can hang out. Losing player with a temper stands up from his seat to put his drink on one of those side tables and the dealer thinks he got up so doesn't deal him in. The dude positively flips out and starts yelling at the dealer and throws a chair behind him, the floor is called and tries to calm the guy down but he isn't having it. He's standing over the table with both his fists pressed into the felt and he starts growling, so he catches a 24 hour ban.

I wasn't there for his perma-ban, but I heard that on another visit he was on the escalator at the poker room swinging fists with security!

WALKING OUT

I had heard tales of this happening but never actually witnessed it until last year. In PLO one guy flops top and bottom set, another flops middle set, both fill up by the river and all the money goes in. The losing player had a 1K pumpkin chip that suddenly had disappeared from his stack, he pocketed it so he wouldn't have to pay out the full amount, but other players caught it. Dude just stands up and walks out, with everyone shouting at him like that's going to do anything.

And because it's considered a gambling debt not honored between 3rd parties, the casino can only ban the guy, they can't grab him by his ankles and shake the money lose. Likewise if the player who got screwed tries to fight the guy, he's going to catch himself a ban too.

I have a similar story but very different ending.

AC Trop, about 2005. A man with very poor English skills is on the table behind me, we are back to back. He has repeatedly jumped up and we've bumped chairs as he angrily and loudly argued in Spanish. So I couldn't help but notice all the drama he was creating.

He jumps up again, our chairs hit pretty hard, and I've had enough. I get up to ask for a floor but there is far too much commotion for me to say a word. Apparently the man had silently pushed all of his chips across the line and when his opponent had expressed delight and said ALL IN!, the Spanish speaker had pulled his chips back.

There was a long argument about chips across the line being a hard bet, which the Spanish speaker did not understand. The floor was called. A Spanish speaking employee was called to explain why the angry man was all in. Security shows up. The floor instructed the dealer to run out the board while angry man got even louder and more animated. More security shows up. Angry man was a loser, and he wasn't even close to slowing down his argument that he didn't make that bet.

Finally angry man starts pulling his chips off the table and stuffing them in his pockets. Security tries to grab his hands to stop him. More security shows up. Four security guards finally have him pinned, all chips are pulled out of his reach, and he is basically carried out between two dudes that are way bigger than him. And the whole time angry man is yelling like he's the star in a prison movie gang rape.

The winning player said he got maybe half of what he was due.

On WALKING OUT situation I think at an Indian Reservation casino they can "shake the money loose." Saw it happen once. The casino security surrounded the guy, wouldn't let him leave the room. After about 45 minutes he paid it. Hard Rock Tampa.

Probably varies by state, but in nj as long as they don’t push it over the line the casino can’t force them to pay up

The point is that in all or most states, reservations might be different, across the line, forward motion, verbal, etc don’t matter. Even after the chips are in the pot, if V pulls them out and shoves them in his pocket the casino can’t or won’t physically take them from V to give them to you.

I have been told physically taking them could be called theft so the casino will not do it.

Even in the reservation case given here, the casino did not physically take the chips. They got V to stay long enough and convinced him to give them up. But I am not sure non reservation jurisdictions would allow the casino to keep V there

What if someone else in the game pulls chips out of the pot and puts them into his pockets? They can't do anything about that either? Seems like the same thing to me.

I thought NJ didn't have a line. Just a vague "in front of your cards" rule.

That was the rule at the old Showboat room upstairs, before they moved it downstairs.

Saw a guy there slide his chips around/in front of his cards and it was ruled a bet. He refused to pay and was banned, but they did not try to get his chips, and he was allowed to cash out.

I don't think that was the rule at every AC casino, though. Iirc, some had betting lines. This was mid 2000s.


--klez

Definitely a line in nj. As per the forcefully taking the chips from the opponent after they put the chips over the line I’m not sure. I know the difference though is if the chips didn’t go over the line but it was verbally declared then the casino will just ban the person, but if chips went over the line you could press charges on the guilty party