Three way handed, checks down to River with 2233 board

River q, hero (original raiser) puts pot size bluff out after bb checks

Dealer tells me I didn't raise enough because I didn't put out 2x the button bet

I explain that the button acts after me and I hadn't acted yet

Dealer insists I checked, floor immediately comes over and agrees that I must have checked

Nobody else is willing to state whether or not they saw me check

I ask floor what my options are, he has me take back my raise and play it as if I checked and btn raised

I folded

This saved me money and 100% btn screwed up as he'd been making mistakes all night

I don't get how someone acting out of turn means I checked

But moreover, I don't get why I wasn't forced to put in 2x his bet or at least call

Was this weird or I just haven't played for a while

I moved this to the Casino and Cardroom Poker forum, as it is the one for rules questions. I mean, if they ruled that you checked, it seems to me that all of your options are open when it gets back to you. Kind of odd to rule that you checked, but at least it's consistent.

If the dealer says you checked, it's pretty hard for the floor to rule the other way. Make your actions 100% clear. Don't drum your fingers on the table or make any motion that anyone might mistake for a check. This is part of protecting your action.

I'm confused. If they ruled you checked, and BTN's bet is valid, your bet that wasn't 2x in order to be a raise should have still been a call, no? You don't say if this room is a 50% raise room. And how did BTN raise? Wasn't that just a bet? Where's the 3rd player in all this?

Sorry, let me clarify

It's 3 ways to the river, bb checks and I decide to bluff and start getting chips ready for a pot size bluff. I put it out there and dealer says btn put out a bet and I needed to double it and that's when the "but I didn't check talk began"

I thought for sure I'd be forced to raise at least 2x but they had me take back my bet like a do over

It was a generous ruling but I think it makes sense because you are clear that you didn't check. So even though they are holding you to a check they are also allowing that there was a gross misunderstanding of the prior action.

Personally I would have verified why it was assumed you checked. If the Dealer and another player (other than the BTN) had seen you tap the table then it would be clear that the check counts and that you were unaware that you checked. Otherwise, I would count the BTN bet as out of turn and you would be held to your bet. Then BTN could do whatever he wanted.

You didn't notice the button putting out his bet? It's up to you to protect your action.

Agreed, I'm sure I'm partially at fault here

I was looking down and stacking chips to bet and he just have quickly tossed them out while I was doing that

The weird part that confused me wasn't whether or not I checked, but I couldn't believe my action of putting chips in wasn't binding

I agree that this was an odd ruling, but to me it sounds like the floor honestly believed you when you said you thought you were just betting in turn and didn't know btn had acted OOT so he was giving you the benefit of doubt and letting you reconsider. Seems fair.

Interesting 50-50 spot here. And I can't say I don't mind how the Floor handled it.

1) Floor rules/agrees with Dealer that you did check ... B bet stands.
2) Floor has mercy on you and returns your bet due to first ruling.
3) Floor no longer has to rule on your bet size since action has been returned to you with all options ... you fold.

'Most' rooms use the same 50% rule that applies to 'most' tournaments when it comes to min-raises. 'Some' rooms have a hard stop at 100% for a cash min raise. It depends.

Consider yourself lucky that 2-3 things went your way .. unless you really think that B would've folded to your 'bigger than his' opening bet on the River. GL

When the btn put out his bet, wasnt the action on the big blind? Did the dealer skip him and just tell you you immediately that you hadto 2x the btn? Or did the btn bet, and the bb fold, all while you were putting your bet together and didnt notice any of that action?

If that were the case then substantial action occured before you protected your action, so the btn bet is binding, and the floor decides what to do with your hand (under tda rules) The examples given in the TDA rules include killing your hand or limiting you to nonaggressive action. You actually got about as favorable a ruling as you could if you retained all your options when the action came back around to you.

Sothe answer to your question about how btn betting out of turn can mean you checked. It's because you must protect your action, and if you dont before substantial action occurs, you can no longer undo all the followon action.