Guys, did Covid fry my brain and I forgot everything I thought I knew?

Playing 1/3 Hold’em at a casino. I’m a small blind and have a $1 chip in front of me. Call, call, call comes around to me and I drop a $5 chip next to my $1 chip. They say it’s just a call of the $3 big blind - one chip rule. I say, “It’s a raise and not a one chip rule because I already had one chip in front of me, and so the one chip rule doesn’t apply.”

Save me from my misery.

Standard.

If you were big blind and put out another chip it’s a raise.

If you were SB but with a $5 chip, then added another chip it’s a raise.

But you didn’t have enough out there to cover the bet. Putting out a single chip is almost the canonical example of the over size chip rule in effect to make it a call.

Standard unless you verbalized the raise.

Always verbalize your actions. When you’re ready to do so.

Although I don't like it, this is what you'll see pretty much everywhere. TDA Rule 41 (C) and Rule 44 shows that a silent overchip is considered a call.

Now if you had brought out the $5 and picked up both chips (or even just pushed them forward) and tossed them forward 'together' you more than likely would've gotten your raise. That would be considered a multi-chip bet (Rule 45) and then those conditions would apply.

You can also see in 'newly' added Rule 46 (C) that language has been added to provide guidance when a Player already has chips 'in play' for that betting round. (prior chips)

So if you don't already, you should feel pretty ganged up on here since there are three rules in TDA that hammer this one home. GL

Adding a single, oversized chip to chips already in front of you when facing action is always a call, always has been.

Now, if you had pulled your chips back, added a single overzied chip, and then tossed them all out together, that would usually be treated as a raise.

The first thing you need to do is stop think of it as the "One Chip Rule". That's not what it is. It's the "Oversized Chip Rule". This will lead you towards the path of enlightenment.

Obv not a strat thread, but lets not ignore the fact why on earth you min raise sb after several limps

Apparently.
How long you been playing poker?

Textbook example of a call based on the oversized chip rule.

But even if we moved from there to “most likely intent” (which we don’t for good reasons), adding a $5 chip to the $1 SB in a 1/3 game is a super common way of calling. OTOH, raising to $6 after several limpers isn’t something you see a lot, definitely not from more experienced players.

I know a lot of players don’t like to verbalize their actions, but I really don’t see a downside to it, at least so long as tou do it properly. I would limit it to “Bet 25” or “Raise 15” (or whatever other value you intend) and add no extra verbiage. Even for an all in I’d probably just say the total and not actually say all in.

There are situations where verbal information is the only way to make the bet or raise you want anyway. For example, if OP had put out a red chip for his SB (he didn’t have any whites) and wanted to minraise, there’s no way to do so silently— putting a second red out would be a raise to $10, not $6.

I think if you had a Red ($5) chip for your $1 SB in a $1-3 game, and put a single White ($1) chip on top in this case, you would have a silent min-raise.

If OP had verbalized all of his actions, then it would have deferred his learning of the oversized chip rule. Checkmate.

Yes, but I was stipulating that SB didn’t have any white chips in his stack. The only way to raise in that case is a second red, which would be a $10 raise unless a verbal declaration is made.

True enough, and it’s a good thing to learn the rule. However if you are confused about the rule, then verbalizing will always result in getting your intended action. It’s okay to understand the rule AND verbalize your intent.

I suspect but won’t guarantee if a player took a red chip, showed it to the dealer and proceeded to slide it well forward near the till but clearly separated from the chip already there, the dealer would ask if he wanted change. Once change was given then a non verbal raise to six is possible.

Or one could verbalize a change request and then non verbally raise to six. Yes player had to speak but the speaking was not formally part of betting.

As long as you are loud enough and clear enough and the dealer isn't distracted.

Not at all weird and precisely as it was pre covid.

Ask yourself how would you make a call if you didn't have any other $1 chips.

Just learn from the experience and use two or more chips when you raise. I personally don't like talking when I am betting because it potentially gives off tells to those that are listening.

But if you can't put out more than one chip due to the denominations of your chips just say "raise" when you put out a single chip.

Many rooms will call it a raise if you pull back the $1 chip and then put out the $1 and $5 chips together. But I still don't trust that. Could get a Floor that just doesn't know its a rule.

at some rooms you don't even need to pull back the $1 chip, you can just pick it up and drop the $1 (existing from blind) and $5 and that constitutes as a raise


i think the more important question is "why are you trying to open min raise from the SB when at least 3 people have limped?" - but that's not a question for this forum.

Multiple chips does not guarantee a raise. 2-5 and hero is btn. A raise to20, reraise to 35, you put on two green with a red already out there. Your 55 is enough to raise but as described would be a call.

The longer he's been playing the more justified his view becomes. He is wrong, by TDA rules, which are generally adopted nowadays, but TDA hasn't been around all that long.

Still, for sure, the ruling was correct by current standard.

In tournament play, When a single large chip is the raise amount (for example, I want to raise to T1000), I will also add one of the lowest value chips (i.e. T25) to indicate a raise. The added benefit is that the less experienced players will frequently out themselves by asking the dealer 'is that is a raise?'.

1) Why would the B have a red already out there? I think you meant BB .. Going off of that, this is a raise all day based off being able to pull back the red to cover the call and the multiple chips added blowing the 50% rule right out of the water. I guess it's possible that one of the Blinds made the raise to $20 then another limper made the raise to $35. Still a raise all day in my book by pulling the $5 back. The rule doesn't state that you pull back one of the smallest new chips, just one of the smallest chips.

2) If this is the B I think we have some conflict. Rule 42 states that to raise you must put out the full amount. $50 is a legal raise .. done, it's a raise. But then you look at Rule 45 and you do run into the multi-chip issue of one chip not covering the previous bet .. and being put in silently. (It's the Player's responsibility to make their intentions clear)

This has been my contention all along for these rules. Any time a Player puts in multiple chips we should first look at the total amount of chips in play first. If it's enough to raise, then it's a raise and we move on .. done, simple and quick.

We will still have the one-chip 'issues' but I lean more towards a single silent (whether oversized or not) always being a call when facing a bet and full value when not. Obv we still have the one-chip all-in that Players love, but I will rely on my Dealer to step in take care of that spot as quickly as they can before another Player acts. GL