As many respected, knowledgeable and experienced posters in this thread have told you repeatedly, it's not ridiculous at all.

Also, this:

Is completely wrong.

we actually had a thread on this not too long ago

Not sure if it's of any help to be the approximately 17th person to tell you that's wrong. Maybe it's easier to understand if you approach it from the other direction: A player can't untable his hand. Intent does not matter for that. The card room can't award the pot to another player after you tabled the winning hand even if you say that you don't want to have the pot.

If a player 'messes up' by accidentially turning over his hand while attempting to muck, that hand is considered tabled and live in every half-way decently run card room.

Pretty sure he was referring to that thread.

I was about to post something about magic predatory mucks going around but then decided to leave that one alone.

I have no such filter. I also just love the visual of a predatory muck roaming around the table, killing hands.

As long as the next hand hasn't started yet, her hand is not dead unless the dealer put it in the muck.

Lets straighten this out. You did the same thing as she did EXCEPT you didn't reach out and turn your winning hand over. IF you had done what she did and turned it over, you also would've won that hand. Stop saying you did the same thing and lost. You didn't do the same thing.

No, you didn't forfeit the pot because you HAD TO. You forfeited the pot because you didn't table your hand. Big difference. Her hand was live because she tabled it. Your hand was allowed to die because you let it go.

That's exactly what we're all saying, and that's the rule (almost everywhere).
Intentions don't really enter into it, the hand is live until it's dead; it's dead when it touches or is buried in the muck pile, not before.

Pac-Muck?

Why don't you drive over to my place and we can discuss it. I know a shortcut

One of the first threads I learned valuable live poker information from on 2+2 was a "muck v. discard" thread in the old B&M forum.

Nice little refresher here.

You know how that ends for the coyote right?

The coyote did about as well as daffy did

Great. Now we're both losers.

As far as blood feuds go, this is not an impressive one

Your mom wears army boots.

Your mother is an astronaut

Yeah well

i had the same thing happen to me 5+ years ago at borgata 5/10 nl in a 4kish pot

i had 89d on an 8 high 2 dimaond board -
i check shipped the turn, villian tank called with kings. on the river i turned my hand over. i have no idea what he saw but he mucked. then to be a dick he started paying me out in red chips, then realized his kings were good and grabbed his cards back from the dealer who had them sitting next to the muck but never actually mucked them despite having close to a minute to do so.

Since then whenever my opponent goes to muck i make sure the dealer does their job.

I wouldn't have been mad if the player instantly realized his mistake and grabbed his cards back as he had the best hand.
But the combo of him being a dick by trying to pay me in probably 1k worth of red that he had for some reason and the dealer not doing her job was super tilting.

I never tipped her again and never will.

What would you have done there? Told the dealer to muck the hand? Reach over and muck them yourself in case it was still a winner? There is really not much you can do. Yeah, it sucks that the dealer waited to muck it before he realized he had surrendered a winner, but Im not sure how you "make sure the dealer does their job"

Telling the dealer to muck that hand will alert player that he misread his hand and he will grab it before the dealer can.

Don't blame you one bit.

If it's within reach I might help that folded hand get to the muck.

Not sure how long it took me to notice, but I play with a couple of 'actual' Pros and they will actually turn back over their cards, win or lose, before the pot is pushed to them. I asked them about it and they said that they didn't want their cards exposed for any longer than necessary .. not wanted the whole table to get full view of them and run the hand back through their heads any easier otherwise, so to speak.

I even did see one time where one of them mixed his cards with a 'folded' hand and tossed them to the Dealer well before getting the pot.

I see this as sort of smart. How many times have you had someone ask about the most recent showdown because they didn't pay attention or look fast enough? Especially if they are first to show and lose, they will 'insta' hide their holding so the rest of the table can't get a good look. GL

Please don't do this. It is irritating and contrary to the spirit of the rules.

There is a player at Commerce who does this all the time. Whenever I see her do it I ask to see her hand. Every time. She eventually gets the message, at least as long as she's at the table with me. Which usually isn't that long, people at my game at commerce tend to table change every 5 minutes for some reason.

since then when someone throws their hand foward and the dealer doesn't muck it i tell them too which they do right away.

In addition to it being contrary to the spirit of the rules, it's often counterproductive. The best players pay attention and quickly run through the hand, so you don't deprive anyone you want to deprive. The worst players find it unusual and ask "what did he have" and think you have something to hide so they take special notice of it (when they otherwise might have forgotten).

Lesson: Never trust Tony G - "She folded"

Not at all the rules at most places. I once saw a 'mucked' steel wheel retrieved from the muck (player thought he had nutflush when I showed fullhouse) after players at table verified what he had and what was on the board. Not only did they pull the hand back from the muck (floor didn't even get called), house rewarded him a steel wheel bonus and high hand bonus. As it should be.