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06-09-2018 , 01:05 AM
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The game is 1-3 No limits heads up. The action is on player A. Player B says " I will call whatever you bet". Player A says " I'm all in". Does player B have to call?
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06-09-2018 , 01:13 AM
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room dependent, but typically no. conditional statements and other such language are not usually binding, especially out of turn.
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06-09-2018 , 01:25 AM
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I think that's standard in Vegas.
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06-09-2018 , 01:45 AM
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If you are Player B, assume anything you say is binding.

If you are Player A, assume anything Player B has said is not binding.
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06-10-2018 , 12:10 PM
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Even though Out of turn statements are mostly not binding , the Dealer/Floor may not know the rule, or there is some special house rule, OR the Dealer/Floor may not like you cause you are a dick and make you call the all in. Best not to do that.
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06-10-2018 , 02:28 PM
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How should this situation be handled? Should the dealer immediately state 'That isn't binding?' Should the player in the hand, or one not in the hand, ask for a floor ruling? The situation is bad, because it is unclear whether or not it is binding (depending on room rules, and what the dealer or floor feel like enforcing that day), but trying to get clarification may give off information about what you want to have happen.

On the rare occasions when i see this and I am not in the hand, I will sometimes ask the dealer 'Is that binding?'. I have no idea if I am out of line or not.
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06-10-2018 , 02:35 PM
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How should this situation be handled? Should the dealer immediately state 'That isn't binding?' Should the player in the hand, or one not in the hand, ask for a floor ruling? The situation is bad, because it is unclear whether or not it is binding (depending on room rules, and what the dealer or floor feel like enforcing that day), but trying to get clarification may give off information about what you want to have happen.

On the rare occasions when i see this and I am not in the hand, I will sometimes ask the dealer 'Is that binding?'. I have no idea if I am out of line or not.
Yeah if you aren't in the hand, don't say anything.
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06-10-2018 , 02:58 PM
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Yeah if you aren't in the hand, don't say anything.
I am not sure i agree with that. To me, it is no different than clarifying that you heard a player announce raise, or pointing out someone has a dirty stack. I don't think clarifying procedural issues, even when you are not in the hand, is inappropriate.
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06-10-2018 , 03:23 PM
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The game is 1-3 No limits heads up. The action is on player A. Player B says " I will call whatever you bet". Player A says " I'm all in". Does player B have to call?
I always go by "chips talk" - i.e. people do or don't do is decided by where their chips are.

If someone says to me "I'm gonna go all-in now!" then this doesn't mean a thing until all his chips are in the middle or he has the all-in marker handed to him by the dealer.

What comes out of people's mouths only matters to when they are talking to the dealer - e.g. when announcing a raise different to the chip they put in the middle because they don't have the right size chip. Anything else I consider "speech play" or banter and will consider non-binding as a default.
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06-10-2018 , 04:28 PM
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I am not sure i agree with that. To me, it is no different than clarifying that you heard a player announce raise, or pointing out someone has a dirty stack. I don't think clarifying procedural issues, even when you are not in the hand, is inappropriate.
Yeah that's fine. Or pointing out if a player has chips coming if the other player might have missed it. Stuff like that is fine. In the example of if something is verbally binding or not, thats not something I would speak up about during the hand.
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06-10-2018 , 04:29 PM
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I always go by "chips talk" - i.e. people do or don't do is decided by where their chips are.

If someone says to me "I'm gonna go all-in now!" then this doesn't mean a thing until all his chips are in the middle or he has the all-in marker handed to him by the dealer.

What comes out of people's mouths only matters to when they are talking to the dealer - e.g. when announcing a raise different to the chip they put in the middle because they don't have the right size chip. Anything else I consider "speech play" or banter and will consider non-binding as a default.
Saying "I'm gonna go all in now" is verbally binding. Fine to wait for the dealer to confirm if you want.
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06-10-2018 , 08:28 PM
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In my room that is binding. I don't like it ... but that is the rule. I think most rooms it isn't binding but one thing I know ... Its not a really clever thing to say ....
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