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Old 01-04-2018, 05:33 AM   #1
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Lately it seems the "cool" people in poker have been throwing in a small chip which supposedly constitutes a call. Since when has this become acceptable and why can't people just verbalize their intentions to avoid confusion.
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Old 01-04-2018, 08:57 AM   #2
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Lately it seems the "cool" people in poker have been throwing in a small chip which supposedly constitutes a call. Since when has this become acceptable and why can't people just verbalize their intentions to avoid confusion.
It's to save time if someone with a large stack of chips is calling a shorter stacks all in. If the big stack has him covered, and wins, the dealer can just push the pot and move on.

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Old 01-04-2018, 09:10 AM   #3
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It doesn’t save more time than just verbally declaring “call”.
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Old 01-04-2018, 09:12 AM   #4
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Re: undersized chip

It covers the rule of pushing some chips across the line that some rooms have.

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Old 01-04-2018, 11:32 AM   #5
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Lately it seems the "cool" people in poker have been throwing in a small chip which supposedly constitutes a call. Since when has this become acceptable and why can't people just verbalize their intentions to avoid confusion.
Lately?
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Old 01-04-2018, 12:01 PM   #6
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My thoughts exactly ... 'cool' was another word in there.

A one chip flip is very common in both cash and tournament play. It could be confusing sometimes if a player is facing a bet as well since it might mean 'all in' or call. Always best to clarify with the Dealer before turning a hand over or taking any other action.

Lots of players don't want to verbalize actions since it may give away a tell to the strength of their holding or perhaps having shaky hands when putting chips out

I love to use the single chip flip to intimidate an opponent when all-in. It shows I'm so confident in my hand that I'm not going to bother putting in chips when there just coming back to me anyway! I use it both to get opponents to fold and call based on my read of what I think their reaction is going to be.

1) You will 'never' get poker players to verbalize 'everything.'
2) Single chip flip is accepted and part of game play as well IMO. GL
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Old 01-04-2018, 03:40 PM   #7
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Re: undersized chip

It indicates a call which is usually confirmed verbally by the dealer. Also you don't need to be cool to do it.

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why can't people just verbalize their intentions to avoid confusion.
why do people tap the table to indicate a check? It's a lot easier to visualize something than to listen and try to distinguish what people are saying these days anyway.
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Old 01-04-2018, 03:58 PM   #8
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It indicates a call which is usually confirmed verbally by the dealer. Also you don't need to be cool to do it.


why do people tap the table to indicate a check? It's a lot easier to visualize something than to listen and try to distinguish what people are saying these days anyway.
"These days". What changed in the last X number of years that makes it more difficult to distinguish what people are saying?
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Old 01-04-2018, 04:11 PM   #9
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"These days". What changed in the last X number of years that makes it more difficult to distinguish what people are saying?
Beats?
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Old 01-04-2018, 04:23 PM   #10
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Re: undersized chip

Don't even get me started... Oh wait, too late.

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I love to use the single chip flip to intimidate an opponent when all-in. It shows I'm so confident in my hand that I'm not going to bother putting in chips when there just coming back to me anyway! I use it both to get opponents to fold and call based on my read of what I think their reaction is going to be.
This flipping a single chip in to call is only something that should ever be done HEADS UP. It should never be done when betting all in, only when calling all in. If there are more players to act behind you and you do this, you are an angle shooting d-bag or you are ignorant to the rules.
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Old 01-04-2018, 04:30 PM   #11
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Re: undersized chip

If I am in a important decision the last thing I want to do is talk and give away anything.
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Old 01-04-2018, 04:34 PM   #12
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Don't even get me started... Oh wait, too late.



This flipping a single chip in to call is only something that should ever be done HEADS UP. It should never be done when betting all in, only when calling all in. If there are more players to act behind you and you do this, you are an angle shooting d-bag or you are ignorant to the rules.
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this should never be done as an all in bet and play should be held up until at least a stack is placed in the betting area.

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If I am in a important decision the last thing I want to do is talk and give away anything.
then you really need to practice saying "I'm all in" in front of a mirror
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Old 01-04-2018, 04:43 PM   #13
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If I am in a important decision the last thing I want to do is talk and give away anything.
You have perfect control of everything except your voice?
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Old 01-04-2018, 05:01 PM   #14
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Lots of players don't want to verbalize actions since it may give away a tell to the strength of their holding
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If I am in a important decision the last thing I want to do is talk and give away anything.
But when you call, all action for the hand is over. How is an all-in opponent going to outplay you based on how you said call or pushed out your chips? Am I missing something here?

I don't like the one chip call thing because it leaves the door open for a gross misunderstanding of the bet angle.
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Old 01-04-2018, 06:02 PM   #15
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this should never be done as an all in bet and play should be held up until at least a stack is placed in the betting area.
Maybe I'm the only one, but I'd actually prefer NO chips be placed out as opposed to the single chip or a partial stack. In fact, I'd say the "at least a stack placed in the betting area" is prone to more confusion and mistakes. I don't see how your "at least" part is any different than the single chip in relation to the topic at hand.
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Old 01-04-2018, 06:59 PM   #16
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It's to save time if someone with a large stack of chips is calling a shorter stacks all in. If the big stack has him covered, and wins, the dealer can just push the pot and move on.

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I agree that it is meant as a way to save time if it is accompanied with a verbal "call ". However some people will use it as an angle to get people to show hands prematurely as a single under size chip isn't a call. At least I can't find reference to it in any poker rules that I have read. A larger single chip is always a call unless raise is announced.
How is it a time saver if you always have to ask the dealer if it is a call?
I have witnessed it being used as an angle a few times and the dealer or floor person could not find it in any rule book to force it to be a call.
Also if it is misunderstood or if in a noisy environment an "all in " is heard as something else , should the dealer force a call.
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Old 01-04-2018, 07:18 PM   #17
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Re: undersized chip

As Suit mentioned, it should only be used in a heads up situation.

In regards to your other question, if the dealer heard the all in, then it's going to stand as an all in. He should place the all in button in front of the all in player. If the caller took acton without knowing what he was calling, that's on him.

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Old 01-04-2018, 09:21 PM   #18
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you are an angle shooting d-bag or you are ignorant to the rules.
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Old 01-04-2018, 09:48 PM   #19
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Re: undersized chip

If cardroom rules regarding undersized chips were uniform throughout the whole world, it wouldn't be the horrendous rule that it is.

Several rooms don't recognize the undersized chip as binding and has led to several threads.
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Old 01-04-2018, 10:06 PM   #20
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But when you call, all action for the hand is over. How is an all-in opponent going to outplay you based on how you said call or pushed out your chips? Am I missing something here?
You're missing that at least answer20 was talking about betting all in with a single chip, not calling.
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Old 01-04-2018, 10:29 PM   #21
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Standard and acceptable forms of calling include: A) saying “call”; B) pushing out chips equal to a call; C) silently pushing out an overchip; or D) silently pushing out multiple chips equal to a call under the multi-chip rule (Rule 50).Silently betting chip(s) relatively tiny to the bet (ex: blinds 2k-4k. A bets 50k, B then silently puts out one 1k chip) is non-standard, strongly discouraged, subject to penalty, and will be interpreted at TDs discretion, including being ruled a full call.
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Old 01-04-2018, 11:15 PM   #22
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It covers the rule of pushing some chips across the line that some rooms have.

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But why have such a rule. IMO that is a bad rule.
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Old 01-04-2018, 11:16 PM   #23
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But why have such a rule. IMO that is a bad rule.
No clue...I don't make the rules.

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Old 01-05-2018, 11:24 AM   #24
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Re: undersized chip

Can saying one word like "check" or " call" or "raise" really give that much information away?? And also the one chip play does not always speed up the hand. Sometimes things have to be "cleared up" as to what the player meant. And I do think many players do it to look "cool" cause they have seen it done on TV.

But I also think it is totally here to stay because it is a popular thing to do. Next hand.
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Old 01-05-2018, 01:12 PM   #25
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this should never be done as an all in bet and play should be held up until at least a stack is placed in the betting area.
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Maybe I'm the only one, but I'd actually prefer NO chips be placed out as opposed to the single chip or a partial stack. In fact, I'd say the "at least a stack placed in the betting area" is prone to more confusion and mistakes.
You're not the only one. There's at least 2 of us. I don't think there is a casino in America that has a rule that you must put some chips across "for the cameras". In fact, I would bet a large amount on it. You should put zero chips across or all of your chips across. Anything in between is bad.

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