Okay, but OP is not asking whether you can find a rulebook that neglects to mention the scenario. Yes, a lot of card rooms who try to roll their own come up short. I think we all agree that Mohegan could stand to bring their written rules closer to TDA or just reference TDA directly.

The point is that the chip in question is a single chip. If multiple chips could be removed, then the rule does not apply. So, we are always talking about a single oversized chip.

This is a call, but, in my example of a 1/2 game, raise to 6, next guy puts in 2 red chips, that's a call, but if he puts in 10 one dollar chips, then it's a min raise to 10.

This scab of a topic will never become a scar .. will it?

Beyond some local rule being in play .. this is a call. Neither 500 can complete a call of the previous bet, therefore they are considered 'together as one' and treated as a single silent wager, thus a call.

Yes, my wording is choppy and horrible, but I'm just trying to find something that will sink in for OP to grasp. GL

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So, according to you, only people that agree with the majority should be allowed to participate? Seems rather authoritarian and against the spirit of the forum.

Not sure I would focus on OP. He posted the question and a few minutes later a clarification. No activity since then so I don’t think he has seen any of the correct responses unless he did so not logged in.

There is only one person here who needs it to soak in. But he appears to play his poker in the anti-universe where calls are raises, question are checks, etc. I think getting reality to sink in there is truly a major challenge.

Just admit you were wrong, or didn't know, it's not that big of a deal. Everyone is here to learn, so you learned something new from the thread, that should be a good thing for you, but don't let your ego get involved trying to convince everyone that we're all wrong and/or delusional. We probably have close to 50K combined hours so we know what we're talking about here.

Please provide the names of a coupe of the the card rooms where you think they use that rule.

The spirit of this forum is to provide people with valuable information regarding card rooms and their rules.

The action described by OP is a call in every card room in the US that uses (at last somewhat) standard rules. If you know of public card rooms that use very specific house rules under which the action in OP would be considered a raise, everyone is thankful for you to provide us with the names of those casinos.

Everyone in here who has played in a 1/3 game with a $6 straddle has seen plenty of instances where another player put in two $5 chips. If that action was considered a raise in their card room, those players would know about that. This is an extremely common situation and not one of those rules that come up once every blue moon.

Well, the problem is twofold. First, I think I'm right, at least around here. Second, since this thread started, I've been sick and haven't had a chance to ask some floormen and dealers I respect. It's also a situation I would never be in, as I never allow a bet to be ambiguous. Also, different rooms and different regions sometimes have different rules. For example, in a 1980's lowball game, verbal action was valid in N. California/Bay area (ex: "I call" just before showdown), but in LA, a bet was only a bet when chips were released into the pot.

So, if local rules agree with you, I won't have a problem with it. However, if they agree with me, I feel sure the attacks will continue.

If these are the same floormen who said that any undefined movement or motion made in turn is a check, I am going to have to ask for a better sources of information

How do you prevent me from silently tossing in two red chips when facing a raise to $6?

This based on your replies here is ambiguous. It definitely could be a call (like everyone responding here save you claims) or a raise (as ONLY you claim here.)

BTW you are free to post your opinions but you are not entitled to post your own facts. You have a history of posting factual answer that are wrong. You do so while claiming they are accurate and standard everywhere.

Please name some rooms you claim have this rule. I am sure others here can and will support or refute your claim if you supply names.

Well I hope you feel better, but since you have no respect for anyone here on 2p2, well I still hope your feelin better.
this quote just shows how inexperienced you are then.

JayKon .. Just to expand a bit. I WANT that to be the rule. But that's not the rule right now, so you're going to get a lot of resistance in this thread.

IMO a Player should be responsible for their actions and we should force them to verbalize their intent in spots like this .. or just let the chips talk for themselves 'in total' before we 'waste' time applying all these (around 4-5) rules dealing with multi-chip bets.

IMO all 'single-silent' chip tosses should be considered a call (when facing a bet) even if there are chips already out in the betting area.

It's when a Player introduces multiple new chips that I feel we should just add them up (first) to see if it's enough for a raise and then go from there. Yes, there will be a transition period at low level cash stakes, but there's nothing wrong with forcing a Player to verify their action before entering multiple chips into the betting area.

So it's not all an uphill battle for you here .. But I will stand firm (with the others) that it would be very surprising to find rooms that already apply the rules in this manner. GL

Never ever ever engaging with JayKon on anything because he is obviously just a troll who makes things up to try to piss people off. Classic sea lion.

mod: alright guys, enough with the personal attacks. Argue with the positions people take, or decide not to engage, as you choose, but stop it with all the other personal stuff. Thanks.

Mohegan's rule 1 is That is different than Mohegan doesn't explicitly say the management can make a ruling in contradiction to the rules. Since the standard "Rule 1" has been around far longer than even the first poker room at Mohegan, I would say they didn't want it or they would have just copied it.

Thank you. It's not so much a matter of respect for people on the forum as I know rules vary from room, to room and region to region.

I get that you're being emotional here and expressing anger, for which I do apologize. But that statement makes no sense. Rule #1 is and always has been to protect your own hand. Therefore, bets need to be clear. I learned this the hard way back in the 1970's when there were still a lot of angle shooters and cheaters around.

Well I've only been in the business for 11 years (7 years dealing, 4 years as a floor). But this is a call in every casino I've ever worked in.

Do you actually think I'm getting emotional over this thread? If laughter is considered an emotion then yes. And protecting your cards has nothing to do with it either, or angle shooters. You do however still need to worry about the monsters under the bed. Trust me this stuff doesn't get me angry but I appreciate your concern and looking out.

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Glad you're amused. That last statement, however, makes no sense.

Call in any room I've played in and think it's a good rule. Only confusing if someone tries to go all in with two chips or something.

The $6 straddle followed by two red chips to call is something that happens all the time. Do you really think it’s a good idea to start declaring that action a raise even though we know the intention behind it is “call” in probably 99% of cases?

Making players verbalize passive action and rule aggressive action otherwise would be really bad IMO.

@JayKon: why don’t you just name the rooms? We can try to tweet them or even call the poker room and see what they say. No need for you to get out of the house to talk to someone in person.

Even easier, tells how you prevent all ambiguity. Don’t need to leave your home or provide other info. Just explain how you “never allow a bet to be ambiguous.”