Tonight at a local casino as the dealer was putting turn card out it went off the table and on to the floor. What would be correct procedure for this situation.

Pick it up, give it to the dealer, who will stick it on the board. Unless you're in a room where a floor has to pick up cards on the floor, in which case, call the floor over, have him pick it up, inspect it, then give it to the dealer to put on the board.

Makes sense to me but why do we treat it differently then we would if it was a players card.

Typically you don't? A card off the table is a card off the table.

Probably because someone could see what card it is that would end up in a player's hand. Everyone will see the card on the board no matter what. We also want to keep the integrity of the correct board when at all possible.

That being said, rooms can have their own rules for both of these situations.

General rule in my area is if a players card goes off table at show down it is not live.

card is dead, goes into the muck.

Cards that hit the floor are usually considered dead. Generally it's that way for a player's cards, and it should be that way here. Of course all of this depends on the room.

I'd call the floor over to pick up the card and examine it. Have them show it to the table then put it in the muck. From there, proceed as you would with a premature turn, bringing out the river card as the new turn, then seeing a new river card if the hand goes that far. If they don't want to kill the card on the floor then they could use the entire procedure used when a premature turn card is brought out; bringing the original river out as the new turn, adding the floored card back to the stub, re-shuffling the stub and giving the floored card a chance to come out as the new river.

Personally I think the card should be dead just as if it were a player's card, but you're going to find different procedures from room to room.

So I signal my buddy the dealer I don't want that turn he can whiff it off the table and we bring out a new one? No thanks.

IME, card off the table = dead is quickly becoming a minority ruling. In the vats majority of cases, there's no question about the legitimacy of the card. Hell, the new deckmates can literally read each card and will notice if there are 52 unique cards. Pick it up and place it on the board.

Irrelevant here, as it is not showdown.

Dead? Not so much (but maybe at Showdown) ... 'Exposed', yes. Any exposed card during the deal is replaced according to the room rules.

The rules for exposed cards are typically in play during a hand when a card is off the felt, including a Player's lap .. et. Since a Board card is exposed anyway you just put it where it belongs. If there's more than one card somehow, then you treat it as if they were exposed on the felt 'normally'.

I've always been under the impression that any cards going off the table would void a BBJ. It's very possible that they would kill a hand at showdown as well.

There may very well be a distinction between 'the hand' and 'the promo' rules. GL

Mostly I've seen cards off the table are live except when it is during the dealing of the hand where it is considered to be an exposed card and the player will be dealt a new card after the BTN gets his second card.

At showdown when a player's card "accidentally" leaves the table it is usually considered live. If there was any doubt about whether it was the player's real card then the deck could be easily examined to prove it is valid. Or as has been noted the shuffle machine may have that capability.

In this case there should be no doubt that this is the real turn card and it should remain as the turn card. If a player objected in any way I would just turn the deck over after the hand and quickly sort it to prove the turn card was valid.

How did the dealer explain that to the floorman?

Apologies for jacking the thread, but what does one do when the dealer pitches a card over the table thrice in the course of 25-30 minutes? I was told by dealer to pick the card off the floor each time to be mucked; I got dealt the card which would have been burnt prior to dealing flop instead.

Is it acceptable to call for the floor and ask for the dealer to be replaced?

GL with that.

What did you say to the dealer directly? What did he/she say in response?

I was in the 5 seat during the course of these events.

Didn't kick up a fuss the first time she did it as it could have been an honest slip and I would have had 73o anyway. She told me to pick the card up and pass it to her, which I did.

Second time she did it I scowled and flicked the card over with some vitriol after picking it up.

Third time it happened (on the deal for the second card), I picked the card off the floor, flipped my other hole card over and flicked both of them angrily over to her before calling for the floor.

At no time did she offer an apology. I called floor and asked for a dealer change. 2 others who had had the same thing happen to them albeit at a lower frequency (once each) tried to push for it as well. Floor refused as they were facing a dealer shortage due to a tourney going on at the same time.

Don't take it out on the dealer, dude. Obviously she is a new dealer, what is causing a huge scene going to accomplish? It's just going to make her feel like crap. Cards are random btw, didn't know if you knew that. She could've messed up the deal in your favor or against you.

If it's a recurring problem that you can't put up with, either take a walk whenever it's her down, or tell the floor off to the side that she is not improving. But guess what, she will improve. The pitch was the hardest thing to get down for me as a dealer.

Yikes dude.

You seem pleasant.

So I take it you're alright with paying 10pc rake and having a dealer misdeal you multiple times all when you're sitting right in front of her?

Awestruck by your magnanimity

I'm not defending the dealer or even saying you aren't justified being upset or annoyed. I'm saying there are much better ways to handle it.

Do you think she was doing this to you on purpose? You're paying rake, not time; how much money did it really cost you? :/

Of course I don't expect her to be doing this in purpose, but I expect her to exercise a little more caution when handling the cards especially since she'd misdealt previously. I mean this is part of her job after all, and this doesn't happen nearly as often even in the home games I go to where everyone takes turns to deal.

I admit I may have been a little out of line from the second instance onwards, but surely I can expect improvement from the dealer in putting some effort to ensure cards don't fly over the table, or at the very least a simple apology? Putting my behaviour aside, what am I supposed to be doing here assuming I get misdealt thrice in that short span of time?