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Old 07-10-2009, 01:41 PM   #1
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Tipping Ettiquite on BBJ

How much should you hit the dealer if you hit a bad beat jackpot? And should you take taxes into consideration when you make the tip?

I got talked into tipping $600 instead of $100 on a $9500 payout by the winner of the hand and I'm wondering if I tipped too much (which I don't really mind) or if I should have tipped more (in which case I'll make sure to do so the next time I see him.)
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Old 07-10-2009, 01:52 PM   #2
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How much should you hit the dealer if you hit a bad beat jackpot? And should you take taxes into consideration when you make the tip?

I got talked into tipping $600 instead of $100 on a $9500 payout by the winner of the hand and I'm wondering if I tipped too much (which I don't really mind) or if I should have tipped more (in which case I'll make sure to do so the next time I see him.)

I'd prob do 4 or 5% so on $9,500 I'd say anything between $400 and $500 is OK. The $600 you gave was more than generous.

Were you just at the table or were you one of the two in the hand?

The BBJ at Borgata in AC is like $140K so if a dealer got a 4% tip from the 9 or 10 at the table, that's 5 or 6K. I can't see how they could justify being dissapointed with that.

The Showboat's is like 315K. That dealer is prob gonna get 10K.

As always, tipping is up to each indivudual.

Getting back to your situation. Your initial thought of $100 was low and his suggestion of $600 was high. If I won $9,500 I'd just keep the 9k and give the dealer the 500......

then i'd obv go play 10-25NL with 3-4K of it.
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Old 07-10-2009, 02:03 PM   #3
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Re: Tipping Ettiquite on BBJ

I was playing 1-2 NL at Winstar and was the loser in the hand. I tipped the dealer $100 in chips on the spot (which I realize was mistake.) Then when security showed up with the money, the winner of the hand, a regular, took me aside and asked how much I planned on tipping. I said I tipped $100 and he suggested 10% after-tax. So I gave the dealer $500 in cash.

All told the dealer (Michael, I think) got about $1000 of about a $19,000 jackpot.
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Old 07-10-2009, 03:27 PM   #4
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The usual I have heard is 10%. But as always, tipping is entirely up to the player and their own situation and what they want to do. Personally, I don't care how much a jackpot was, if I ever got 500$ in one shot, I would be in heaven for the rest of that month. I can't hit a jackpot to save my life (my last one dealt was almost two years ago) and the ones that I had hit, according to all the other players on the table at the time, they said I really got a bad break when they asked me what the player tipped and I told them. But that's ok, I figure my day will come sometime.
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Old 07-10-2009, 03:34 PM   #5
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Re: Tipping Ettiquite on BBJ

Dont feel like you got talked into, or conned into, giving a big tip for a BBJ.

Your tip was very high... but considering it was a BBJ, it shouldn't be anything for you to worry about. Unless the casino made you fill out a W2 or something like that... then I'd be tempted to tip less if the tip was pre-tax.
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Old 07-10-2009, 03:41 PM   #6
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I think you tipped the perfect amount. around that $500-700. was correct. Congrats on your win, or loss
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Old 07-10-2009, 03:41 PM   #7
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Re: Tipping Ettiquite on BBJ

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I was playing 1-2 NL at Winstar and was the loser in the hand. I tipped the dealer $100 in chips on the spot (which I realize was mistake.) Then when security showed up with the money, the winner of the hand, a regular, took me aside and asked how much I planned on tipping. I said I tipped $100 and he suggested 10% after-tax. So I gave the dealer $500 in cash.

All told the dealer (Michael, I think) got about $1000 of about a $19,000 jackpot.
ouch

I wonder how much the dealer kicked back to the regular?

I'm considered a very generous tipper but no way am I tipping anyone 10% of a jackpot.
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Old 07-10-2009, 03:43 PM   #8
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Re: Tipping Ettiquite on BBJ

10%

Wow.

Seriously. If you win on a lottery ticket would you tip the cashier 10%?

I am a VERY good tipper. And even at the Poker table where I am the one taking all of the risk, I will toss out a tip for every hand, even pots where I only grab the blinds. Sometimes I will even give a little more on a significant hand where I take a huge pot or hit a big hand. But me tipping someone a Grand or more is just never going to happen.

Just as the constant drop goes to the BBJ and House, I feel like my constant tipping is the same as a "Drop" on each hand I play. Again, I am taking the risk and ultimately paying for that BBJ. 10% of what is essentially EXTRA DROP seems insane to me.
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Old 07-10-2009, 03:49 PM   #9
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Re: Tipping Ettiquite on BBJ

This reminds me of a joke I heard long ago. Maybe others have heard it too:
A doctor realizes his toilet is clogged. He calls a plumber to come fix it. The plumber arrives and spends just a few minutes unclogging the toilet; writes up a bill and hands it to the doctor. The doctor's eyes grow twice their size when he reads it, "you get that kind of money for 5 minutes work. I don't get that much and I'm a doctor."
The plumber responds, "I know what you mean. I didn't get this kind of money when I was a doctor either."

10% tip. Wow. I could see a lot of doctors quitting their careers and becoming dealers.
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Old 07-10-2009, 03:58 PM   #10
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I actually worked at a 7-11, and somebody got like $20 from a regular when they sold a $1000 winning ticket. (The fact that there are regular lottery and scratch-off players was pretty depressing.)

I'm glad to hear that no one thinks the tip was too low (it was a smaller share of my payout than the regular tipped.)
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Old 07-10-2009, 04:00 PM   #11
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I probably would have gave $500, I aggree with the poster that you should not focus on a certain percent, if I won $11,500 I would still prob tip $500. I delivered Pizza a few years back and I was always very thankful for a $20 tip wheather it be $200 order or a $850 catering order. But at the same time I always hated receiving a $1 on a $12 order but was always grateful for a $5 tip on a $90 order.

Personally I tip dealers $1 for any pot over $10 I win, $2 for anything over $40.

Do you guys tip cashiers?
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Old 07-10-2009, 04:21 PM   #12
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Re: Tipping Ettiquite on BBJ

Dealers would hate dealing me a BBJ beacuse i'm never going over $100. I don't really care if it was 100k. The only difference between a BBJ hand and any other hand is the BBJ hand is going to take a little longer for the floor to come over, verify it, etc.

Luckily I can't even hit a high hand or a monte carlo to save my life so they don't have anything to worry about.
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Old 07-10-2009, 04:23 PM   #13
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Do you guys tip cashiers?
No! i don't tip the teller at the bank either.
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Old 07-10-2009, 04:30 PM   #14
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We are having some work done in our house. The other day the rough framers came in to frame out a small wall. Literally only an hour or so of work. The framer brought his two sons to assist. Young guys perhaps 18-20. We have a 100 year old home and recently had a major renovation completed. As part of that big job, we replaced the old hot water heat with forced air heat and air conditioning (yay!). There were still two leftover radiators in the room on which they were working. We needed to have them moved so the rest of the work can be completed. The framer said he and his sons would be happy to move them for me. These are the antique cast iron radiators and must weigh 600+ pounds each. It took the four of us with a dolly to get them out of the room, down the stairs, and into my garage. If I'd tried it myself I'd have broken my back. As we moved them the younger guys were very careful of walls floors and such and managed to not leave a single mark, except on their hands when they got crushed.

They did a great job and I appreciated their hard work. Usually when I have contractors in the house, I'll run out and get pizza and soda for their lunch. I always get about 2X what they would likely eat and let them keep the leftovers. This time since the kids went beyond my expectations and were not here over lunch time - I thanked them, shook their hands and slipped them each a $20. This was the Friday before the Holiday and I wished them a safe & happy weekend. I could tell that the father was pleased with his boys earing a cash tip.
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Old 07-10-2009, 05:04 PM   #15
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Re: Tipping Ettiquite on BBJ

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and he suggested 10% after-tax.

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All told the dealer (Michael, I think) got about $1000 of about a $19,000 jackpot.
The 'regular' would have gotten $4750 or so, which 'after taxes' would come to over $3000. Did he tip $300? That, plus your $600 would have been $900.

To put it in perspective, if there were 7 players for a table share, each would have gotten less than $700 each. And maybe a W2G. Dealer got $1000 and did not get a tax form.
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Old 07-10-2009, 05:18 PM   #16
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Re: Tipping Ettiquite on BBJ

Regular tipped $400 of his share. The other 7 players got roughly $540 each and tipped $5-10. He and I both got a W-2, the others didn't. The dealer had to do some paperwork when they did they payout but I don't know what it was.
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Old 07-10-2009, 05:18 PM   #17
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$1. Maybe $10 if he misses out on dealing a few hands because of the time required to review/pay out, etc.
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Old 07-10-2009, 05:27 PM   #18
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Re: Tipping Ettiquite on BBJ

I agree with both of Pot Odds RAC's posts in here.

I'd probably tip $50 or $100 on a $10K jackpot. Not only is all of that jackpot money that I personally paid in there, it isn't even ALL of the money that we've paid to the drop. The casino keeps a good chunk of it for 'administrative' purposes. So instead of being able to win that jackpot money in small chunks where you'd only tip $2 when you drag a $500 pot, you're expected to:

Pay WAYYYY more for a jackpot that you didn't even want to pay into in the first place and has been skimmed off the top by the floor already? Please.

One consideration though is that if you are a regular in the casino that you won the jackpot at, you might want to tip more because there are other considerations, like keeping in good standing with the floor/dealers, etc.

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Old 07-10-2009, 05:39 PM   #19
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The correct etiquette is not to tell others at the table they've tipped too little/much.
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Old 07-10-2009, 05:47 PM   #20
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The other 7 players got roughly $540 each
So the dealer got about two table shares (and no taxes, but maybe did spread it around to other dealers, floor, etc).

But the best answer is:

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The correct etiquette is not to tell others at the table they've tipped too little/much.
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Old 07-10-2009, 06:16 PM   #21
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Re: Tipping Ettiquite on BBJ

If I win a $9500 BBJ at Winstar, I'm tipping $100 to any random dealer, maybe more if it is a dealer I find to be exceptionally good, entertaining, fair, etc.

Any regular telling me to tip 10% after tax can seriously gtfo.
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Old 07-10-2009, 07:23 PM   #22
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I took $6900 (the winning hand, 25% share) from a BBJ, and tipped roughly $250 in $5 chips . The dealer seemed very grateful as he stacked the redbirds in his "bbj tip rack". The table shares were tipping like $10 at most...not sure about the 50% share. I believe he gave cash under the table.
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Old 07-10-2009, 08:39 PM   #23
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We are having some work done in our house. The other day the rough framers came in to frame out a small wall. Literally only an hour or so of work. The framer brought his two sons to assist. Young guys perhaps 18-20. We have a 100 year old home and recently had a major renovation completed. As part of that big job, we replaced the old hot water heat with forced air heat and air conditioning (yay!). There were still two leftover radiators in the room on which they were working. We needed to have them moved so the rest of the work can be completed. The framer said he and his sons would be happy to move them for me. These are the antique cast iron radiators and must weigh 600+ pounds each. It took the four of us with a dolly to get them out of the room, down the stairs, and into my garage. If I'd tried it myself I'd have broken my back. As we moved them the younger guys were very careful of walls floors and such and managed to not leave a single mark, except on their hands when they got crushed.

They did a great job and I appreciated their hard work. Usually when I have contractors in the house, I'll run out and get pizza and soda for their lunch. I always get about 2X what they would likely eat and let them keep the leftovers. This time since the kids went beyond my expectations and were not here over lunch time - I thanked them, shook their hands and slipped them each a $20. This was the Friday before the Holiday and I wished them a safe & happy weekend. I could tell that the father was pleased with his boys earing a cash tip.
I would have given the contractor's sons more. Maybe $40 each.
If I hit a jackpot for $10,000 or more my share , I would be so happy that I would probably do something stupid like give the dealer $100. But that is as stupid as I get.


For those who would give more:

You hit a jackpot for $40,000. You give a $2,500 tip. After taxes and tip, you have $25,000. You develop plans on what part to spend and what part to invest. Or perhap the house ges paid off.

Your niece calls. A nice woman married to a nice guy but a bum. She needs $2,000. You politely refuse. She says $2500 for a dealer, a stranger, but $0 for me? You give in? If yes what happens when they call again in three months? What hapens when your wife's nephew calls with the same arguement?

After giving $2,500 to a dealer, how big a jerk are you if you do not give more than $2,500 in help freely to all members of your family who need it?

Do you have any friends from high school or grade school who you know could use a nice gift? Nothing for them but $2,500 for a dealer ?
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Old 07-10-2009, 09:50 PM   #24
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I agree with the stingy people. I've worked in casinos and have had lots of friends who were dealers--one who got totally stiffed on a six figure blackjack jackpot. My ex was a cocktail waitress who served these oldsters who hit a multi-million dollar jackpot on the slots while she was getting their drinks. They gave her a buck. So I'm sympathetic and generally an slight overtipper, but I really don't get the reasoning behind giving massive tips on jackpots. It's my money, the casino takes a huge chunk, then I pay taxes on getting it back. If I hit the big share of the super jackpot at Commerce tomorrow I MIGHT be even on jackpot money. So why, for the privileged of being sodomized like that, do I suddenly tip through the roof? Do you tip 5% of every pot you win? Why would you tip 5%, never mind 10%, now?

The above post is a great one. More than $100-$200 is just a gift. Assuming you don't throw money around like MC Hammer, how would you justify handing a couple grand to a total stranger when someone close to you probably could really use the money? It seems to me that if the sum of the tips is a table share, that is very fair.

Maybe the very occasional player should tip more, because he probably made a big profit, overall.
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Old 07-10-2009, 09:52 PM   #25
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The last jackpot I was in on, I got a $580 table share of about a 19k jackpot. I tipped $10. Reasonable?
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