This has absolutely nothing to do with what I posted. Read it again.

I am now convinced that NYCN is an anti-tipping troll who's trying to make dealers look incredibly greedy and ungrateful. There can be no other explanation for 30 posts saying it is customary and proper that he get $18,000 for dealing a $360K BBJ hand of poker, and anything less makes the players stingy bastards.

the cool thing about winning BBJs online is the fact you dont have to tip anything over 0%

although i won a bbj live pokers too and i tipped $300 on 12.5k

I was thinking he wasn't doing us any favors but you may be on to something.

So why is tipping such a bad way of paying dealers? If they are not tipped the rake would go up and continue to go up to make up for seasoned dealers raises and inflation. So why would any player want that right? Now what if dealers were paid like a timed game ok 10 players 3 bucks per person no tipping on pushed pots. Well then the dealer makes too much right? Wrong we don't get paid on breaks so in a 8 hour shift we may only deal 4 tables there called up downs makes a bad day. So in reality tipping a dollar a pot is cheaper for players than the alternatives. As for bbj tip what you want nobody is forcing it on you to tip 1 2 or 10% . If you don't want to be called a cheapskate or a stiffer than tip good. If you don't care what others think why debate this?

Also why has this thread become a place to bash dealers and what you think is there attitude? If I came across a dealer that said he deserved 20000 on a jackpot I would say he's crazy don't get me wrong I hope to win the lottery also but I'm counting on a dollar a hand and a few redbirds here and there to make up for the stiffers to make a living not bbj tips they are just a lucky day for all involved. I've been told I would get 50% of a bbj if I dealt it at a table I just smile and say yea sure. But like I said tipping is an appreciation of a service if I hit a bbj I will appreciate the hell outta the dealer. It's life changing money for most so be grateful it happened to you.

If
1) I did not need the 2500 and was not likely to in the future,
2) None of relatives up to and including second cousins needed the $2500 and were not likely to in the future for college, unexpected illness etc.
3) None of my co workers were known to be in tough finical straits and I did not expect that to change for any of them.
4) My college and high school friends were all, without exception, doing well financially and were expected to continue in fine shape financially
5) My neighbors were all doing well, no unemployment or other finical difficulties among them
6) If my local charities, little league, High School band etc. were all well funded
7) My college not longer felt the need to raise money.

then strangers including dealers would be at the top of the list of people I would want to give $2500 of my money to. It is just very unlikely that everyone and all institution that was closer to me than a stranger would have no need of the $2500.

To place people and institutions important to me lower than the dealer is just weird to me.

Ok I understand what your saying and that completely makes sense. However when other players or other dealers call you a cheapskate it is justified because its a custom I didn't start that and you didn't end it. the dealer that deals you cards is just a stranger I laugh at this because I spend more time with grinders than my own family. I am joking of course but is it far from the truth?

The overall feedback from dealers that I've read here has convinced me to tip significantly less going forward.

If one of my friends gave $2500 to a dealer but could not help his nephew with college for far more than 2500 or did help his nephew but claimed he could not give $2500 to the local YMCA, I would call him names far worse then cheapskate. I would do it with a smile and to his face. I would laugh about the money he gave the dealer.

If 2500 is a priority for a nephew or charity why is that person gambling? Maybe they should set priorities straight. What is so offensive about giving a dealer a tip I still don't understand the argument if tipping is so offensive play at your house save on rake and tips oh but than there's no fish to play and make money right. So now what you can play tournaments no rake no need for a tip with dealer add ons but you can't hit the bbj. So what do you want from dealers? Not make a liveable wage? Ok here's a scenario pay a dealer 8 bucks an hour and see the how the game goes down hill when you get the short end of the stick because of dealer errors you will beg for a change like Im a dealer and I am grateful for every dollar I earn the 2500 was just my opinion and what I would do I didn't say that should be standard for everyone. However my opinion is less than 1k on a 100k jp after taxes is pretty cheap but I wouldn't condemn anyone for it.

By saying that $1000 for dealing a poker hand is "pretty cheap", you pretty much are condemning it. The average person in the United States of America doesn't take that home each week, let alone for the three minutes involved in dealing a BBJ hand. And that's just what ONE of the ppeople at the table would be giving, mind you.

No that's my opinion that its cheap I understand people don't make 1000 dollars in a week you need to look at it on a different level when it comes to the dealers pay we don't base our salary on bbj tips like a player it may be a once in a lifetime hand the tip is a bonus I'm not saying you won life changing money now you owe the dealer life changing money I'm not saying that at all but I am saying it would be nice to give a bonus like millions of Americans that get a Xmas bonus or performance bonus the point I am trying to get is what's so offensive about tipping the dealer?

I wouldn't expect great grammar, but could you do something about the run-on sentences?

Sorry didn't do so well in English class

But really what's so bad about tipping dealers when everyone knows there salary is based on it?

Dealer deals a hand. Seat 1 then gives him $500, Seat 2 gives him $250, and the other 8 give him $35 each for a total of $1030.

Isn't that tipping?

Wow. Referring to less than $1K being cheap. That includes $500, $600, $700, $800, $900 - all of which I would have thought is very generous. Then to ask what's offensive? The only tip I'd offer is advice to be thankful to get anything.

Yep. So what's the debate? Not enough? Well than if the dealers on here say that its not ask them how much they made the hand before. Just because I have an opinion on what should be tipped dosnt make me right.

" I thought was very generous " exactly my point and I would be grateful.

Well based on the majority of responses from dealers here, you've burned the bridge for the dealers I've been tipping all along. I'm now convinced to view them as just another player at the table. They're trying to get as many chips as possible while I am too so no more voluntary adding to the dealer's stack from me.

What are you talking about of course were there for chips. Do you play poker for a living or do you have another job? Do you work for free or do you expect a pay check? I know I'm not good enough to play poker for a living but I still need to pay bills. So I deal. I'm just wondering why I "burned the bridge". Because I have a different opinion? Because I'm thankful for ANY tip and sided with you when dealers expect more. I'm sorry to offend you that's not my intention I wanted to view the other side of the tables point of view. Again any tip you provide is greatly appreciated.

Honestly, I have no idea what you're talking about. The last 20-30 posts you've been putting on a clinic of WTF.

Anyway, you deserve your paycheck from the cardroom for the hours you put in the box; tips are voluntary. I think that's where you're sense of entitlement comes from. You were misled.

I do appreciate your candor, though. Most dealers have the same sense of entitlement as you do but like to come in here and sound modest about how any tip is so appreciated and no tip is too small, yada, yada - sort of like you were doing a couple of weeks ago, but alas, the truth comes out: "I deserve money just because."

I don't mind sharing what my salary is, to which everyone seemingly agrees I am entitled to. I make $4.65 per hour, which is the federal minimum wage for tipped employees. The US Govt and the state of Florida allow my employer to pay me this wage, which is below the standard minimum wage of $7.65 per hour, because it is understood that part of my wages come from tips.

Without this understanding, my employer would be in violation of federal employment codes and would be subject to fines and sanctions from the Dept of Labor. The tips I receive are not merely custom or habit. They are a federally acknowledged form of payment. All of my tips are counted at the end of my shift in front of a supervisor. I am taxed on all of my tips.

That said, individual players are not required to give me a tip. There is no governing body which has any authority to make you give me a tip when I push you a pot, no matter how large it is. You are not subject to any sort of sanctions or penalties for failing to tip me.

But to suggest that I am no more deserving of a tip when I push you a pot than any other stranger is... that's simply untrue. And the federal government agrees with me, based on the fact that they allow my employer to pay me less than any other minimum wage earning person in the country.

Ok Stickey, you alone did not burn the bridge. You just happened to have recent posts when I decided to chime in. The you I was referring to is you dealers as a whole - my interpreted consensus from dealers responses. However, I find your contradictions disturbing. I don't consider somebody that believes a $900 tip on a $100K jackpot is cheap and greedy the same as a person who appreciates any tips. My impression based on my observations in casinos is that generous tips come from uneducated gamblers. I have enough sense not to be a generous tipper but I figured I was still an adequate tipper. I will never know the percentage of dealers who genuinely appreciated my tips vs those who think I'm cheap. My conclusion is to tip no more. This way I can assure at lease one person is content and that is myself for keeping my own money.