Tipping CONTAINMENT thread.
...As for poker dealers, it's the same thing. The luck generally evens out. When I deal a $1000 pot at a 5-10 table I know that some regulars are going to tip me a buck, some regulars will tip me as much as $25, and some regulars won't tip me at all. And as a player, I'm going for entertainment and to win some pots. The BBJ doesn't enter into my thinking at all. I can't strategize to get it. Good play won't increase my chances of hitting it. If I do hit it, it's just dumb luck. Why in the world wouldn't I want to share my good fortune with the dealer who helped me get it? (Even if it wasn't anything that he purposely planned to do).
But after all these people who are more important to you than a dealer are taken care of, please tip the dealer.
When I dealt mine, I went around the room putting greenbirds in everyone's boxes. That was fun.
A lot of dealers enter into agreements where they split a bad beat tip among two or more dealers to help reduce this variance you speak of.
A dealer getting a massive tip for dealing a hand that allowed a table to split a quarter million dollars should get a better tip than I do for churning out 20+ hands a push professionally and with some personality.
When it comes to tips, dealing is a lot like playing: Skill doesn't lead to winning every hand but you do better in the long run being a better player than relying on luck. Same as a dealer.
If you're a good tipper generally, I'll assume you give 20% when you go out to dinner at a nice restaurant. Let's also assume, just for the sake of this post, that you're a single guy, and not in a committed relationship with just one girl.
On Friday you take Susie out to dinner at the TwoPlusTwo Grill. You order the prime rib, Susie gets just a salad because she's watching her figure. You also have tickets to see a show and you're in a hurry to finish eating, so you don't get any desserts or appetizers. The bill for the two of you comes to $50 and you leave Joe, your server, a $10 tip for his excellent service.
On Saturday you have a date with Jenny and you decide to go back to the TwoPlusTwo Grill because you enjoy it so much there and it's your favorite restaurant. Once again you get the prime rib, but Jenny also wants to split an order of oysters on the half shell as an appetizer. And she gets the stuffed lobster for her entree. The two of you also split a bottle of wine, and for dessert you split a tiramisu because it's Jenny's favorite dessert. The bill comes and it's for $200. Rick is your server this time and once again your service was excellent, so you give him $40 for his efforts.
Was Rick 4 times better as a waiter on Saturday than Joe was on Friday? Why should he be so lucky to get such a generous tip from you? Wasn't it just dumb luck that the hostess put you in his section on Saturday?
On Friday you take Susie out to dinner at the TwoPlusTwo Grill. You order the prime rib, Susie gets just a salad because she's watching her figure. You also have tickets to see a show and you're in a hurry to finish eating, so you don't get any desserts or appetizers. The bill for the two of you comes to $50 and you leave Joe, your server, a $10 tip for his excellent service.
On Saturday you have a date with Jenny and you decide to go back to the TwoPlusTwo Grill because you enjoy it so much there and it's your favorite restaurant. Once again you get the prime rib, but Jenny also wants to split an order of oysters on the half shell as an appetizer. And she gets the stuffed lobster for her entree. The two of you also split a bottle of wine, and for dessert you split a tiramisu because it's Jenny's favorite dessert. The bill comes and it's for $200. Rick is your server this time and once again your service was excellent, so you give him $40 for his efforts.
Was Rick 4 times better as a waiter on Saturday than Joe was on Friday? Why should he be so lucky to get such a generous tip from you? Wasn't it just dumb luck that the hostess put you in his section on Saturday?
As for poker dealers, it's the same thing. The luck generally evens out. When I deal a $1000 pot at a 5-10 table I know that some regulars are going to tip me a buck, some regulars will tip me as much as $25, and some regulars won't tip me at all. And as a player, I'm going for entertainment and to win some pots. The BBJ doesn't enter into my thinking at all. I can't strategize to get it. Good play won't increase my chances of hitting it. If I do hit it, it's just dumb luck.
But as to your question, "Why in the world wouldn't I want to share my good fortune with the dealer who helped me get it (which is funny because you spent like 500 words explaining that the dealer doesn't help at all - it's dumb luck)?"
Let's say 15%. Let's say a guy takes $18K. That's $2700.
That's why. It's $2700 for dumb luck. Dumb luck that's already been taxed both in tips and rake before (and raked a second time by the house "administrative fee").
Or a couple of mortgage payments. Or food for a year. Or a down payment on a car. Or toward your kid's college tuition for a semester. Or a ring for your wife.
Oh, yeah, that's right - there's still $15K left over for all that stuff, which means $2700 is meaningless. No utility in that $2700 when you got $15K behind, right?
Also, Why percentages when talking about BBJs? If you're very happy to take $25 from a $1000 pot, why not 2.5% on a BBJ, say, $450 on that $18,000? Why double-digit percentages when we're talking 5-6 figs for prize pool?
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In no particular order...
- 15 or 20% is standard for a restaurant waiter. I never meant to suggest that it should be standard for a BBJ or for any other hand of poker for that matter. Double-digit percentages is your interpretation of something I never said or implied. Please don't put words in my mouth.
- Do you think the $200 order is 4 times more work for the waiter than the $50 order if it's the same table in the same restaurant on different nights? What if I decide to order the filet mignon instead of the caesar salad? Is it still more work for the waiter? What if I get the dressing on the side? Do you really not get my analogy or are you just being nit-picky?
- Along those lines, if I deal a regular hand of poker, I call out the winning hand, push the pot, move the button, drop the rake, shuffle up and deal the next hand. Done. But if it's a jackpot hand I have to call the floor, have them come over and inspect the deck, then I have to suit the deck, have the floor get me a replacement deck, and then I can finally deal the next hand. I'd estimate that a dealer probably loses 5-10 minutes or more due to dealing a BBJ. And that doesn't include the time lost when the prize money comes to be paid out. And it also doesn't include the fact that it's entirely common for a game to come to a standstill as the players lose interest in playing cards and are busy reliving the bad beat, texting their friends, chattering with each other, and not helping the dealer keep the game going. Surely the dealer deserves a little something extra for this, no?
- The luck averages out for dealers over time. Yes, some dealers are going to hit multiple BBJ's and others will never hit one. But over time, dealers will get good tables and bad tables. Dealers will also go to a terrible table and manage to hit the one generous tipper over and over. Show me a dealer who makes significantly more than another dealer at the same casino working the same hours and I'll show you a dealer who works harder, faster, and with more customer service. It's that simple.
- I've never worked in a room with a BBJ. In South Fla, all of the rooms have done away with them and do high hands and/or royal flush jackpots (which cap out at around $50K). The standard tip for the royal jackpot is probably about 2% and for high hands (which are usually a few hundred bucks to the winner) it's probably closer to 5%.
- As to how much I think it should be... it's a really difficult question to answer. I suppose 5% is a good number, but I don't have any real conviction about it. What I don't understand is why people feel like they should tip less when they win a really huge jackpot. Shouldn't it be more? Personally, if I ever do win a BBJ (or some other similar windfall) I'm giving at least 10% (more if I really like the dealer or if I know them personally). But I would never criticize a player for tipping less than I would. Especially when I haven't been fortunate enough to have walked in those shoes. As long as they do give a decent tip, I'm happy for the player and the dealer.
- Yes, it's dumb luck when a jackpot happens! Everyone should know that. It's dumb luck for the player, the dealer, and the whole table. Great players win lots of money at big games. Lucky players win jackpots. Why should that guy on table 14 win the BBJ when I'm stuck over here grinding away on table 11? How is that fair?
I'm not going to do the quote and reply because the messages are getting too long.
In no particular order...
- 15 or 20% is standard for a restaurant waiter. I never meant to suggest that it should be standard for a BBJ or for any other hand of poker for that matter. Double-digit percentages is your interpretation of something I never said or implied. Please don't put words in my mouth.
- Do you think the $200 order is 4 times more work for the waiter than the $50 order if it's the same table in the same restaurant on different nights? What if I decide to order the filet mignon instead of the caesar salad? Is it still more work for the waiter? What if I get the dressing on the side? Do you really not get my analogy or are you just being nit-picky?
- Along those lines, if I deal a regular hand of poker, I call out the winning hand, push the pot, move the button, drop the rake, shuffle up and deal the next hand. Done. But if it's a jackpot hand I have to call the floor, have them come over and inspect the deck, then I have to suit the deck, have the floor get me a replacement deck, and then I can finally deal the next hand. I'd estimate that a dealer probably loses 5-10 minutes or more due to dealing a BBJ. And that doesn't include the time lost when the prize money comes to be paid out. And it also doesn't include the fact that it's entirely common for a game to come to a standstill as the players lose interest in playing cards and are busy reliving the bad beat, texting their friends, chattering with each other, and not helping the dealer keep the game going. Surely the dealer deserves a little something extra for this, no?
- The luck averages out for dealers over time. Yes, some dealers are going to hit multiple BBJ's and others will never hit one. But over time, dealers will get good tables and bad tables. Dealers will also go to a terrible table and manage to hit the one generous tipper over and over. Show me a dealer who makes significantly more than another dealer at the same casino working the same hours and I'll show you a dealer who works harder, faster, and with more customer service. It's that simple.
- I've never worked in a room with a BBJ. In South Fla, all of the rooms have done away with them and do high hands and/or royal flush jackpots (which cap out at around $50K). The standard tip for the royal jackpot is probably about 2% and for high hands (which are usually a few hundred bucks to the winner) it's probably closer to 5%.
- As to how much I think it should be... it's a really difficult question to answer. I suppose 5% is a good number, but I don't have any real conviction about it. What I don't understand is why people feel like they should tip less when they win a really huge jackpot. Shouldn't it be more? Personally, if I ever do win a BBJ (or some other similar windfall) I'm giving at least 10% (more if I really like the dealer or if I know them personally). But I would never criticize a player for tipping less than I would. Especially when I haven't been fortunate enough to have walked in those shoes. As long as they do give a decent tip, I'm happy for the player and the dealer.
- Yes, it's dumb luck when a jackpot happens! Everyone should know that. It's dumb luck for the player, the dealer, and the whole table. Great players win lots of money at big games. Lucky players win jackpots. Why should that guy on table 14 win the BBJ when I'm stuck over here grinding away on table 11? How is that fair?
- Do you think the $200 order is 4 times more work for the waiter than the $50 order if it's the same table in the same restaurant on different nights? What if I decide to order the filet mignon instead of the caesar salad? Is it still more work for the waiter? What if I get the dressing on the side? Do you really not get my analogy or are you just being nit-picky?
Instead, pay good servers more money, average servers less money and fire incompetent servers altogether. Yes, factor the price into the food and leave the customers, that just want to relax and enjoy a meal, out of the compensatory business. It shouldn't be their responsibility.
Also, why should it be more? You keep saying that but have yet to make a good argument as to why.
Define decent tip. What's a decent tip for someone that just dragged $18K for his share of the BBJ?
$1000 or more would be a really good tip.
It's rare but I've seen 25% to 30% tips on $20,000+ jackpots a few of times.
Yup. You're right. Tipping waitstaff based on % of bill is an archaic, senseless pastime that needs to be done away with. You've proven that nicely here - a $9 salad and a $45 steak require essentially the same effort.
Instead, pay good servers more money, average servers less money and fire incompetent servers altogether. Yes, factor the price into the food and leave the customers, that just want to relax and enjoy a meal, out of the compensatory business. It shouldn't be their responsibility.
Instead, pay good servers more money, average servers less money and fire incompetent servers altogether. Yes, factor the price into the food and leave the customers, that just want to relax and enjoy a meal, out of the compensatory business. It shouldn't be their responsibility.
People tip less when they win a really huge jackpot? I really don't think people are tipping less, but if you're talking about percent wise, then that's because 2% of $50,000 has more utility than 2% of $50.
Also, why should it be more? You keep saying that but have yet to make a good argument as to why.
Also, why should it be more? You keep saying that but have yet to make a good argument as to why.
Good argument? You probably don't think so, but that's the one I'm making.
I'd say the bar begins at $500 for this, which is right around 2.75%. Anything over $1000 is a great tip.
The room where I play takes $1 out of every pot for the BBJ. That means I've paid $1 into the BBJ for every pot I've won. The more hands I've played (including the $100 hands), the more I've paid into the jackpot. So it isn't entirely "dumb luck".
I've won a lot of pots, but I have yet to win a BBJ. So you can't tell me I've done "nothing", can you.
Look, your argument goes like this: "So the tipping system for dealers is irrational? Well it's irrational for waiters too!"
Well, I don't find that particularly persuasive... "X is irrational, but so is Y! Therefore, X is rational." Isn't that your argument?
And it isn't persuasive even if I buy into the analogy. At least with the waiters, I can often expect a free drink or a free desert, or extra-good service when I come back. Are dealers going to give me an extra AA or KK after I've tipped them well? I sure hope not!
And look, I totally understand the tough spot you're in. No dealer wants to admit that this is crazy, because it's obviously in their self-interest not to admit it. But this is a case of the emperor with no clothes, isn't it?
Yes, of course I'm talking percentage. We've been talking percentages all along, haven't we? And I've made a consistent argument all along. Jackpots are nothing more than luck. Share the wealth with the dealer who helped you get it (yes through their own dumb luck, just like your own as a player). Let's assume you tip $5 for hitting a jackpot of $100 when you make quads. That's 5% and you're taking home $95. Now assume you hit a $10,000 jackpot and decide to tip 10%. You're taking home $9,000. For doing nothing more than you did when you hit the $100 hand. It was just good luck that came your way. Even if you have to pay taxes on the $10 grand, you're still taking between $6 and $7K home with you.
Good argument? You probably don't think so, but that's the one I'm making.
Good argument? You probably don't think so, but that's the one I'm making.
You're judging someone's financial status (no, really you are). That person could owe $20,000 in medical bills and you're looking at him as cheap because he only tipped out a $100 when he's got $7K after taxes coming.
Talk about dumb luck. Back in the day, I hit a BBJ for $6,000 (my take) waiting for a $20/$40 game (no BBJ game).
My tips were as follows:
$700 for the dealer
$100 for each floor person (3 of them)
$100 for cashier
Next week, playing my usual $20/$40 game, I beat that dealer (I guess I rolled him for red games as the closest he came to red was in the box) in a nice pot, and I got a bunch donk talk from him. How quickly they forget from whence it came...
Anyway, I'm not sure if I can substantiate those numbers anymore, but I don't play BBJ games ever, so...
Kind of a non sequitur there, isn't it?
I really don't have that answer and I'm not about to try to come up with one.
Of course it's not a good argument. Your argument is, "You just made a bunch of money, you should be happy to give a ton away because you're better off than you were when you walked in."
You're judging someone's financial status (no, really you are). That person could owe $20,000 in medical bills and you're looking at him as cheap because he only tipped out a $100 when he's got $7K after taxes coming.
You're judging someone's financial status (no, really you are). That person could owe $20,000 in medical bills and you're looking at him as cheap because he only tipped out a $100 when he's got $7K after taxes coming.
Fair enough. Appreciate the numbers.
Talk about dumb luck. Back in the day, I hit a BBJ for $6,000 (my take) waiting for a $20/$40 game (no BBJ game).
My tips were as follows:
$700 for the dealer
$100 for each floor person (3 of them)
$100 for cashier
Next week, playing my usual $20/$40 game, I beat that dealer (I guess I rolled him for red games as the closest he came to red was in the box) in a nice pot, and I got a bunch donk talk from him. How quickly they forget from whence it came...
Anyway, I'm not sure if I can substantiate those numbers anymore, but I don't play BBJ games ever, so...
Talk about dumb luck. Back in the day, I hit a BBJ for $6,000 (my take) waiting for a $20/$40 game (no BBJ game).
My tips were as follows:
$700 for the dealer
$100 for each floor person (3 of them)
$100 for cashier
Next week, playing my usual $20/$40 game, I beat that dealer (I guess I rolled him for red games as the closest he came to red was in the box) in a nice pot, and I got a bunch donk talk from him. How quickly they forget from whence it came...
Anyway, I'm not sure if I can substantiate those numbers anymore, but I don't play BBJ games ever, so...
As for the donk talking ungrateful dealer.... yeah there's a rotten apple in every bunch. I haven't been fortunate enough as a dealer to deliver a monster jackpot to any player yet, but when I have gotten a particularly oversized tip, I've always found it easy to remember the player that gave it to me. Then again, I've never been one to resort to donk talk at the table, regardless of how others play against me. I guess that your lesson is that off the clock poker dealers can be asses at the table too, just like any other player. But talk about -EV behavior....
z4reio:
I'm not going to do the quote and reply because the messages are getting too long.
In no particular order...
- 15 or 20% is standard for a restaurant waiter. I never meant to suggest that it should be standard for a BBJ or for any other hand of poker for that matter. Double-digit percentages is your interpretation of something I never said or implied. Please don't put words in my mouth.
- Do you think the $200 order is 4 times more work for the waiter than the $50 order if it's the same table in the same restaurant on different nights? What if I decide to order the filet mignon instead of the caesar salad? Is it still more work for the waiter? What if I get the dressing on the side? Do you really not get my analogy or are you just being nit-picky?
- Along those lines, if I deal a regular hand of poker, I call out the winning hand, push the pot, move the button, drop the rake, shuffle up and deal the next hand. Done. But if it's a jackpot hand I have to call the floor, have them come over and inspect the deck, then I have to suit the deck, have the floor get me a replacement deck, and then I can finally deal the next hand. I'd estimate that a dealer probably loses 5-10 minutes or more due to dealing a BBJ. And that doesn't include the time lost when the prize money comes to be paid out. And it also doesn't include the fact that it's entirely common for a game to come to a standstill as the players lose interest in playing cards and are busy reliving the bad beat, texting their friends, chattering with each other, and not helping the dealer keep the game going. Surely the dealer deserves a little something extra for this, no?
- The luck averages out for dealers over time. Yes, some dealers are going to hit multiple BBJ's and others will never hit one. But over time, dealers will get good tables and bad tables. Dealers will also go to a terrible table and manage to hit the one generous tipper over and over. Show me a dealer who makes significantly more than another dealer at the same casino working the same hours and I'll show you a dealer who works harder, faster, and with more customer service. It's that simple.
- I've never worked in a room with a BBJ. In South Fla, all of the rooms have done away with them and do high hands and/or royal flush jackpots (which cap out at around $50K). The standard tip for the royal jackpot is probably about 2% and for high hands (which are usually a few hundred bucks to the winner) it's probably closer to 5%.
- As to how much I think it should be... it's a really difficult question to answer. I suppose 5% is a good number, but I don't have any real conviction about it. What I don't understand is why people feel like they should tip less when they win a really huge jackpot. Shouldn't it be more? Personally, if I ever do win a BBJ (or some other similar windfall) I'm giving at least 10% (more if I really like the dealer or if I know them personally). But I would never criticize a player for tipping less than I would. Especially when I haven't been fortunate enough to have walked in those shoes. As long as they do give a decent tip, I'm happy for the player and the dealer.
- Yes, it's dumb luck when a jackpot happens! Everyone should know that. It's dumb luck for the player, the dealer, and the whole table. Great players win lots of money at big games. Lucky players win jackpots. Why should that guy on table 14 win the BBJ when I'm stuck over here grinding away on table 11? How is that fair?
I'm not going to do the quote and reply because the messages are getting too long.
In no particular order...
- 15 or 20% is standard for a restaurant waiter. I never meant to suggest that it should be standard for a BBJ or for any other hand of poker for that matter. Double-digit percentages is your interpretation of something I never said or implied. Please don't put words in my mouth.
- Do you think the $200 order is 4 times more work for the waiter than the $50 order if it's the same table in the same restaurant on different nights? What if I decide to order the filet mignon instead of the caesar salad? Is it still more work for the waiter? What if I get the dressing on the side? Do you really not get my analogy or are you just being nit-picky?
- Along those lines, if I deal a regular hand of poker, I call out the winning hand, push the pot, move the button, drop the rake, shuffle up and deal the next hand. Done. But if it's a jackpot hand I have to call the floor, have them come over and inspect the deck, then I have to suit the deck, have the floor get me a replacement deck, and then I can finally deal the next hand. I'd estimate that a dealer probably loses 5-10 minutes or more due to dealing a BBJ. And that doesn't include the time lost when the prize money comes to be paid out. And it also doesn't include the fact that it's entirely common for a game to come to a standstill as the players lose interest in playing cards and are busy reliving the bad beat, texting their friends, chattering with each other, and not helping the dealer keep the game going. Surely the dealer deserves a little something extra for this, no?
- The luck averages out for dealers over time. Yes, some dealers are going to hit multiple BBJ's and others will never hit one. But over time, dealers will get good tables and bad tables. Dealers will also go to a terrible table and manage to hit the one generous tipper over and over. Show me a dealer who makes significantly more than another dealer at the same casino working the same hours and I'll show you a dealer who works harder, faster, and with more customer service. It's that simple.
- I've never worked in a room with a BBJ. In South Fla, all of the rooms have done away with them and do high hands and/or royal flush jackpots (which cap out at around $50K). The standard tip for the royal jackpot is probably about 2% and for high hands (which are usually a few hundred bucks to the winner) it's probably closer to 5%.
- As to how much I think it should be... it's a really difficult question to answer. I suppose 5% is a good number, but I don't have any real conviction about it. What I don't understand is why people feel like they should tip less when they win a really huge jackpot. Shouldn't it be more? Personally, if I ever do win a BBJ (or some other similar windfall) I'm giving at least 10% (more if I really like the dealer or if I know them personally). But I would never criticize a player for tipping less than I would. Especially when I haven't been fortunate enough to have walked in those shoes. As long as they do give a decent tip, I'm happy for the player and the dealer.
- Yes, it's dumb luck when a jackpot happens! Everyone should know that. It's dumb luck for the player, the dealer, and the whole table. Great players win lots of money at big games. Lucky players win jackpots. Why should that guy on table 14 win the BBJ when I'm stuck over here grinding away on table 11? How is that fair?
Because the players contributed to the BBJ- You didn't. Thus, it's absurd that dealers feel that they are entitled to thousands of dollars worth of tips from the BBJ, and honestly the talk of many of the fishy players who constantly say "if you deal the jackpot I'll tip you 10 grand" is pretty annoying. I guess if you're a dealer, you better hope you don't deal me the losing hand. I'm not tipping more than 1k MAX even if I win over a hundred thousand dollars. And if I see that dealer not look SUPER appreciative of that 1 thousand dollars, I'll take the tip back right away. The idea of just tipping more than that to a complete, random stranger is sickening. I actually get along pretty well with most of the dealers at my casino, but I wouldn't consider any of them a real friend (granted most are at least 5 years older than me). I'm sure other players will call me selfish, but the notion that it's unfair that I won a lot and won't share it with you is absurd. I'm losing a $1 a pot, if you dealers want to starting adding tokes to the jackpot, then you can lay an actual claim to it too.
Also, you're point that said you will miss hands due to having to call the floor, inspect it etc, fine. That's $30. That should cover what you would make in a down.
Am I really now to the point where I have to validate all tipped employees in all professions now? Must I come up with appropriate amounts for bartenders, bellhops, hair-stylists, and cab drivers? I'm not the guy who came up with the system of tipping some professions and not others. Maybe we should tip lawyers and accountants too and they'd do their jobs better. Or maybe we shouldn't tip anybody and should just pay higher prices up front for all of the services we receive.
I really don't have that answer and I'm not about to try to come up with one.
I really don't have that answer and I'm not about to try to come up with one.
Really? That's precisely your argument? You're not being sarcastic there?
And really, you should be ashamed as a dealer saying the above. A good portion of the players tipping you $1-$5 a hand have no business being in a cardroom at all.
and honestly the talk of many of the fishy players who constantly say "if you deal the jackpot I'll tip you 10 grand" is pretty annoying. I guess if you're a dealer, you better hope you don't deal me the losing hand. I'm not tipping more than 1k MAX even if I win over a hundred thousand dollars.
Seems unproductive to argue so much about BBJ tips because of the rarity. This thread was more productive when the discussion was on more practical things like tournament tips and the like.
I don't understand how the question of how much to tip on a BBJ could be so contentious. Here's a post I made early in the thread addressing it:
It seems so simple and logical to me, assuming you buy in to the prevailing tipping model.
I agree completely. That's why I tip more than $1 if I win a pot that takes longer than the table norm and why I'd never even consider tipping a percentage of the BBJ if I were to win one. I'd merely tip the dealer for the time he lost, e.g., if he lost an hour of work I'd tip whatever I think the maximum number of hands he could have dealt in one hour and round up. So if I were to take down the losing side of a $600k BBJ and get $400k and it cost the dealer an hour, I'd probably tip ~$75 (figuring maybe 50 hands per hour plus a little extra).
Another extreme example, but the point is exactly what q/q is getting at: the money won shouldn't have nearly as much to do with the tip as the service rendered, and that includes the amount of time it takes to provide that service.
Another extreme example, but the point is exactly what q/q is getting at: the money won shouldn't have nearly as much to do with the tip as the service rendered, and that includes the amount of time it takes to provide that service.
Dealer: "Yo, you just made a boatload of cheddar. Help a brother out, the brother that helped you make $40K tonight, by giving me a down payment on a Lexus."
or
Player: "Zmog! I gots da moniez. I'm so happy. Here's a $10K brick. You are my favorite dealer."
Neither of those make much sense when you really think about it.
But it's interesting to hear some of the dealers stammer on about why it makes perfect sense to give 10-25% of a massive BBJ when even they know it's totally silly. But hey, if I were a dealer, I'd do the same, so I can't blame them.
About 15 years ago I remember an NBA player hitting a BBJ for $2500 (his share). He tipped $25. All the dealers going on and on about how they are grateful for any tip yada yada, didn't really have a whole lot of kind things to say, and it was the buzz for like a week. I wonder what Bill Gates would tip out if he ever hits a BBJ playing $3/$6 limit in Vegas.
Bill Gates would probably tip a copy of the whatever new windows version is coming out :P
$100K Jackpot. Guy wins big end, $50K.
He tips the equivalent of three days tips for the dealer ($500).
Please explain why some consider him "cheap".
If it had been half of a $1000 pot where he caught a one-outer vs his arch-enemy, people would consider $500 "extravagant".
$500 is $500.
He tips the equivalent of three days tips for the dealer ($500).
Please explain why some consider him "cheap".
If it had been half of a $1000 pot where he caught a one-outer vs his arch-enemy, people would consider $500 "extravagant".
$500 is $500.
$100K Jackpot. Guy wins big end, $50K.
He tips the equivalent of three days tips for the dealer ($500).
Please explain why some consider him "cheap".
If it had been half of a $1000 pot where he caught a one-outer vs his arch-enemy, people would consider $500 "extravagant".
$500 is $500.
He tips the equivalent of three days tips for the dealer ($500).
Please explain why some consider him "cheap".
If it had been half of a $1000 pot where he caught a one-outer vs his arch-enemy, people would consider $500 "extravagant".
$500 is $500.
If I won a massive BBJ that was like 600k, and I had the losing hand, I seriously wouldn't know what to tip. Again, I don't give a **** that I just won 300k, it was the players money that contributed to the jackpot, not dealer tokes.
The dealer is for all intents and purposes, a stranger to me. Sure I get along with the dealers pretty well, and they all say hi to me, but the way I look at it is this: do any of these dealers really care about my life? Or are they just being nice so that I'll tip them money when I win pots. I don't think dealers would be willing to help me out with anything outside of the casino with the rare exception. As such, just because, hypothetically, I won 300k doesn't mean I'm going to give you 5% of that. Again, I'd probably feel obligated to give 1-2k just because of the prevailing social pressures of having everyone at the casino know who I am, but if that would be considerd cheap anyways, I'd rather just not tip anything at all, and never go back to that casino.
Point being, no dealer can rationalize why they deserve a percentage tip of a jackpot they don't contribute to. It's just become the social norm that the dealer who dealt the hand "earned" a big pay day. No, they didn't do anything special, and theoretically they could be dealing hands slower than other dealers, but because of dumb luck, they'll get a big tip for doing a ****ty job. I heard a dealer at my casino talk about how he was "stiffed" by a player who won the jackpot of like 100k, like the player tip 50 bucks. This dealer has been dealing for like 30 years or something, and has dealt all over the place. Because this player was a regular, the dealer admitted, to the table that he would **** the player over in all future instances. Like if the player was running back to the table and yell "deal me in" he would purposefully ignore him. Or he would not try to give the player the benefit of the doubt if the player made an accidental motion or left his card unprotected for even a second. That's ridiculous to me. Made me really dislike this dealer.
The dealer is for all intents and purposes, a stranger to me. Sure I get along with the dealers pretty well, and they all say hi to me, but the way I look at it is this: do any of these dealers really care about my life? Or are they just being nice so that I'll tip them money when I win pots. I don't think dealers would be willing to help me out with anything outside of the casino with the rare exception. As such, just because, hypothetically, I won 300k doesn't mean I'm going to give you 5% of that. Again, I'd probably feel obligated to give 1-2k just because of the prevailing social pressures of having everyone at the casino know who I am, but if that would be considerd cheap anyways, I'd rather just not tip anything at all, and never go back to that casino.
Point being, no dealer can rationalize why they deserve a percentage tip of a jackpot they don't contribute to. It's just become the social norm that the dealer who dealt the hand "earned" a big pay day. No, they didn't do anything special, and theoretically they could be dealing hands slower than other dealers, but because of dumb luck, they'll get a big tip for doing a ****ty job. I heard a dealer at my casino talk about how he was "stiffed" by a player who won the jackpot of like 100k, like the player tip 50 bucks. This dealer has been dealing for like 30 years or something, and has dealt all over the place. Because this player was a regular, the dealer admitted, to the table that he would **** the player over in all future instances. Like if the player was running back to the table and yell "deal me in" he would purposefully ignore him. Or he would not try to give the player the benefit of the doubt if the player made an accidental motion or left his card unprotected for even a second. That's ridiculous to me. Made me really dislike this dealer.
If I won a massive BBJ that was like 600k, and I had the losing hand, I seriously wouldn't know what to tip. Again, I don't give a **** that I just won 300k, it was the players money that contributed to the jackpot, not dealer tokes.
The dealer is for all intents and purposes, a stranger to me. Sure I get along with the dealers pretty well, and they all say hi to me, but the way I look at it is this: do any of these dealers really care about my life? Or are they just being nice so that I'll tip them money when I win pots. I don't think dealers would be willing to help me out with anything outside of the casino with the rare exception. As such, just because, hypothetically, I won 300k doesn't mean I'm going to give you 5% of that. Again, I'd probably feel obligated to give 1-2k just because of the prevailing social pressures of having everyone at the casino know who I am, but if that would be considerd cheap anyways, I'd rather just not tip anything at all, and never go back to that casino.
Point being, no dealer can rationalize why they deserve a percentage tip of a jackpot they don't contribute to. It's just become the social norm that the dealer who dealt the hand "earned" a big pay day. No, they didn't do anything special, and theoretically they could be dealing hands slower than other dealers, but because of dumb luck, they'll get a big tip for doing a ****ty job. I heard a dealer at my casino talk about how he was "stiffed" by a player who won the jackpot of like 100k, like the player tip 50 bucks. This dealer has been dealing for like 30 years or something, and has dealt all over the place. Because this player was a regular, the dealer admitted, to the table that he would **** the player over in all future instances. Like if the player was running back to the table and yell "deal me in" he would purposefully ignore him. Or he would not try to give the player the benefit of the doubt if the player made an accidental motion or left his card unprotected for even a second. That's ridiculous to me. Made me really dislike this dealer.
The dealer is for all intents and purposes, a stranger to me. Sure I get along with the dealers pretty well, and they all say hi to me, but the way I look at it is this: do any of these dealers really care about my life? Or are they just being nice so that I'll tip them money when I win pots. I don't think dealers would be willing to help me out with anything outside of the casino with the rare exception. As such, just because, hypothetically, I won 300k doesn't mean I'm going to give you 5% of that. Again, I'd probably feel obligated to give 1-2k just because of the prevailing social pressures of having everyone at the casino know who I am, but if that would be considerd cheap anyways, I'd rather just not tip anything at all, and never go back to that casino.
Point being, no dealer can rationalize why they deserve a percentage tip of a jackpot they don't contribute to. It's just become the social norm that the dealer who dealt the hand "earned" a big pay day. No, they didn't do anything special, and theoretically they could be dealing hands slower than other dealers, but because of dumb luck, they'll get a big tip for doing a ****ty job. I heard a dealer at my casino talk about how he was "stiffed" by a player who won the jackpot of like 100k, like the player tip 50 bucks. This dealer has been dealing for like 30 years or something, and has dealt all over the place. Because this player was a regular, the dealer admitted, to the table that he would **** the player over in all future instances. Like if the player was running back to the table and yell "deal me in" he would purposefully ignore him. Or he would not try to give the player the benefit of the doubt if the player made an accidental motion or left his card unprotected for even a second. That's ridiculous to me. Made me really dislike this dealer.
I disagree, as I am a dealer and whenever I play at another casino and see some of regulars that I deal to at my casino I always go out of my way to say hi to them! And sometimes I'll even get a table transfer to socialize with them. Not saying all dealers are like me BUT can't agree that all aren't either.
People forget that this is a casino. If we are talking about what is customary (and that seems to be what people are talking about, even bringing in what is customary for servers in restaurants by comparison), then it is customary to tip more at table games when you win more.
The craps dealer does the same work whether or not the table is on a hot streak... The roulette dealer does the same work whether or not you hit your 35-to-1 bet... The blackjack dealer does minimally more work to pay out a lucky ladies win...
Yet in those situations, it is customary for big winners to tip more than the folks who have won more standard amounts.
I think that for many people, the massive amount won at a BBJ shifts the tipping from what is customary in poker to what is customary in other table games.
Also, the same people who just want to toke the dealer to compensate for missed time dealing standard hands: I hope you tip a lot more when you cash in a tournament. Using that logic, you are tipping every dealer who dealt the tournament (since they all split those tips) and tournament downs always pale in comparison to dealing a down of cash games.
So if you feel that your BBJ toke needs to be just enough to cover lost wages and you are not tipping a lot more than average for tournament cashes then you are being somewhat hypocritical in an effort to justify how you tip.
The craps dealer does the same work whether or not the table is on a hot streak... The roulette dealer does the same work whether or not you hit your 35-to-1 bet... The blackjack dealer does minimally more work to pay out a lucky ladies win...
Yet in those situations, it is customary for big winners to tip more than the folks who have won more standard amounts.
I think that for many people, the massive amount won at a BBJ shifts the tipping from what is customary in poker to what is customary in other table games.
Also, the same people who just want to toke the dealer to compensate for missed time dealing standard hands: I hope you tip a lot more when you cash in a tournament. Using that logic, you are tipping every dealer who dealt the tournament (since they all split those tips) and tournament downs always pale in comparison to dealing a down of cash games.
So if you feel that your BBJ toke needs to be just enough to cover lost wages and you are not tipping a lot more than average for tournament cashes then you are being somewhat hypocritical in an effort to justify how you tip.
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