Whoa, my bad. Sorry about the derail.

EDIT to add: I mixed up the threads instead of reading what was in front of me.

So that's still 18.75 an hour, which is $11 more than minimum, plus their hourly wage from the casino, whatever that is. Still pushing it over $20.00 an hour. That's a decent wage.

I just made a statement, that they make $4.00 an hour more than me.

Really simple. At 1/x NL, If I win more than 5BBs, after rake (or preflop), I tip $1. If I win over 60BBs, I'll tip $2. Otherwise, no tip for pots under 5BBs post rake.

When I was in my early 20's I delivered pizzas for a living, and it occurred to me that an extra dollar meant more to me as a driver than it did to the customer. My reasoning was that if an order cost $15 (for example) and the customer gave me $1, then his total cost would be $16. If he gave me $2, it would be $17, and a $3 tip would set him back $18. For the customer if he spends $16, 17, or 18, he's still in the same ballpark. For me, receiving $3 instead of $1 . . . huge difference.

And I've always adopted that attitude whenever I tip somebody, whether it's for a haircut, valet parking, a sit down meal, or a hand of poker. I always tip a waitress a minimum of $3 for a meal, no matter what. If I spend $6.99 at Denny's, I throw the 15 or 20% rule out the window and give her $3.

Same thing at a poker table. If a dealer pushes me a pot, he's getting at least a buck, no matter what. If I'm at a 1-2 table and I steal the blinds, he's getting a dollar from me. And if I win a big pot, he's getting a bigger tip. Call it over-tipping if you want, but if I win a 3-way all-in pot, do I really care at the end of the day if I gave the dealer an extra couple bucks while I'm busy stacking up red and green chips? Maybe I'd feel different if I played poker for a living, but I have a job. Meanwhile, the dealer is working for a living, and I know that when he gets an extra couple bucks out of me when I win a nice hand, he appreciates it (and if he doesn't, he won't get tipped from me in the future).

Understatement of the year.

When 2+2'ers come into a room and start pushing to drive down tipping standards, it can mean a 60%+ pay cut for the staff.

And then these same players post thread after thread on this site complaining about poor service and lack of "appreciation".

I'm with you 100%.

People work hard for a living, do a good job, and I'm going to treat them well. I don't care if it offends some internet tip nit. I respect people who treat me right, and a couple of bucks here or there to make sure they're treated well in return is by far the right thing to do. It's not just a poker thing, it's a life thing.


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So, you've noticed a massive influx of 2+2'ers coming into your casino and actively advising other players to tip less?

Really? What casino? How have the dealers reacted? What has Management done?

Yes. That's why I'm in this thread.

I have enough stalkers, thank you, so no I'm not posting my personal info here. Feel free to post your home address and telephone number if you like though.

Many have quit, and a lot more have given up and adopted a clock-in-clock-out attitude, which has significantly reduced the service that poker players receive. What comes around goes around.

They have lost money.


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Sorry. I don't buy it.

Interesting to see if any other dealer here has the same experience.

I have never seen a player tell other players not to tip.

LOL.

This entire thread is about players telling other players to either tip less or not tip at all.

Did you somehow not read it?


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LOL. We were talking about in a casino. And you know it.

And a lot of this thread is debunking the BS from the "you have to tip more or the world will end" crowd.

I'm going to let this comment stand on its own. It speaks for itself.


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Ok.

Well, people tipping more reduces the amount of money players make. So if you want to turn it purely into a " you shouldn't tell people to tip less because it reduces my bottom-line" that doesn't really make sense.

By not encouraging people to tip less players would be reducing THEIR bottom line.

A year or two ago, I had an extensive PM convo with Q/Q about the issue he's bringing up again here now. I had an open mind going into the conversation, but at the end of the conversation I truly believe that he's a conspiracy theorist w/r/t this issue.

My sample size is small--only five years or so of playing recreationally--but I've only ever seen players at a casino encourage other players to tip more, not less.

There have been threads in B&M where the OP basically says, "What can I do to stop other players from tipping so much?" The consensus response is that, unless there's something REALLY underhanded going on (the example of the 1/2 player whose wife is dealing and he's tipping $25/hand comes to mind), you cannot and should not tell others how to tip.

If other dealers have even anecdotal evidence of players encouraging other players to tip less, I'd appreciate hearing it.

I wish that collectively 2+2'ers could possibly have anywhere near this kind of influence. If we did, I'd be playing online right now, with the blessing of the DOJ instead of responding to your post.

The only anecdotal evidence I have (have heard this from multiple Vegas dealers) is of Sam Farha actually paying other players to NOT tip a dealer that he didn't like, for whatever reason. Normally, I'm not one to name names, especially without solid evidence. However, he's a famous player and he already has an awful reputation in the live poker community, so one more post about his won't do any harm.

Other than that, I agree with Rapini - if players pressure other players about tipping while a casino it's usually pressuring them to be more generous with the dealer. And occasionally they succeed.

this ainec. If I read this thread I'd be scared to go to work. I deal with numerous internet kids who stiff me regularly (like never tip ever). It's part of the job. There's also a ton of internet kids who tip a buck every pot. That's awesome. There's also a ton of people who don't put that much effort and tip whatever they effing feel like.

I've never ever heard anyone say that I was tipped too much and be serious about. I did have a friend of mine marvel at a very large tip I got, but he plays for a living and the tipper doesn't and is also a friend of mine.

OK, for the record:

I have seen players tell other players to tip less *at* the table (less common), I've seen them do it *off* the table (much more common), and I personally know of at least three occasions where players have actually gone to *management* and asked them to step in to reduce tipping (I was one of the managers they went to at the time, so this is direct firsthand info).

I actually can't think of a single dealer I've worked with who HASN'T seen this happen, at least to some degree (although the prevalence obviously varies a lot by room and by market).


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You must deal in a very strange casino in a very strange city.

Again, I don't see any players or dealers here saying anything but that the type of incidents you refer to are rare to nonexistent.

Telling other plays what to do with their money (whether it be more or less in tips) is 100% bad form.

Getting stiffed is frustrated I can imagine, but ultimately what I do with my dollar is up to me.

100% believeable. This is actually something I personally would do in extreme situations such as the one I described previously.

Getting into conspiracy theory territory here. How would someone bring this up to another player away from the table?

"Hey there, just wanted to let you know that you should be more of a cheapskate."
"Excuse me sir, I'm a semi-professional poker player and I would really appreciate it if you'd tip less so I can win more."
"Boy, those dealers, bunch o' card monkeys. They don't need to be paid nearly as much as you're tipping them."

None of that seems feasible to me.

Yeah... straight-up .

LOL. Your sample size is 4 posts, and you're deleting me from it to make it unanimous in your favor.

My sample size is somewhat larger


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It wasn't an extreme situation. It was a friendly late night game and the nit was angry that the dealer was doing better than he was. So he complained to management and asked us to make them tip her less.

"Hey, just wanted to let you know you're tipping way too much. $1 is plenty."

It goes pretty much just like that.

Nice personal attack.


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Sorry if some of these have been addressed already but this thread is way too big to check.

1) You are at the poker table and you order dinner from a service person, and you are informed that your food is free due to playing comps. How much do you tip? Do you have a flat # in mind or do you base the tip as a % of the value of the comped meal?

2) Same scenario as #1, but instead of a meal I'm just asking for a fountain drink on ice (comped)

3) Same scenario as #1, but instead of a meal I'm just asking for a bottled water (comped)

3 to 5 for food? buck for beverages seems civil.