I guess you haven't read the threads here on 2+2 about Edwin Kim or Chino Rheem.

Or heard about Jean Robert Bellande who claims to always be broke.

So I guess the answer would be to get staking or borrow money from people. Or have a huge life roll to start with.

I haven't, I couldn't care less about people in the poker celebrity realm, or the guys who get discussed in NVG or Televised Poker. Frankly, they really don't have much of a place in this discussion, which is getting off track and silly to begin with (I realize I'm contributing to that). Someone is not a professional poker player if they're a losing player over a long period of time, at least as it pertains the type of people we're talking about in this thread. It's bad enough that we have umpteen threads about people claiming to be a "pro" because they make $200 a week playing 1/2 NL living at home so they can pay a cellphone bill, now we're calling losing players pros?

It obv can happen over a couple months esp if they are playing <160 hrs/month. So approximately 5k hands. Which is meaningless. 1 year (as you probably know) is the minimal sample size you need for playing live. I agree in your later post that arguing with people claiming they make a "living" playing 1/2 is redundant, but if you post it in their specific thread they just say you're jealous/hatin'/etc. because "we can't do it". When it reality, most of us wouldn't want to even try.

Doyle Brunson: Guess Doyle can't call himself a pro... he had a losing 8-month stretch.

Maybe this is why folks are always counseling wanna be pros that they need 6mo of living expenses on top of a trillion BB bankroll.

Rather ironic that you're acutally proving my point for me while in the middle of trying to make what's you think is an intelligent point. This has absolutely and utterly nothing to do with what I'm commenting on and you know it. Give me a break.

As a dealer on the east coast I can tell you I average about 20$ a down. A down is for me is about 17 hands. On average when i am allowed to work 8 hours I deal 11 downs. So 220 + (8x5)Hourly = 260$ Cha ching, Not a bad living. However I am part time and when it is slow i might only work 20 hours a week. Also I pay taxes on 100% of my income.

I am a part time employee with NO Benefits and no paid vacation. As are most dealers in the buisness these days. My health insurance cost me 376$ a month and I have a 2500$ deductable on any hospital stay and certain procedures and for the most part can only get generic prescriptions. It is a far cry from the type of insurance coverage that one might get from an employer. But any one who has dabbled in the indivual health care market knows what Im talking about.

Im not complaing, I think I am paid well for my what I do and also consider my lucky because I enjoy doing it. This is definitily where I belong

So i guess the point of this post is to say for me 17 hands a down at 20$ = ~1.20$ a hand. So if you are a player reading this thread for guidance and want to tip the avearage then tip 1.20$ per hand I guess. One might also keep in mind that i get no tip on about 20 to 30 hands per 8 Hour shift. So it is nice to get the occasional red bird or 2 or 3 dollar tip on the larger pots.

Of the 20 to 30 hands per shift that you don't get tipped, what % do you think make up,
People that flat out don't tip.
The pot being very small.
A person who usually tips but forgot/newbie that doesn't know.

Flat out dont tip <20
Nebs make a big part of it but they tend to be the over tippers as well so it balances out.
Small pot the largest percentage I would say around 40 to 50

Oh. OK. In that case, you're welcome.

I'd like to mark this as a post that reinforces the assumptions of:

• ~35 hands/hr.
• ~$1 per pot pot (aggregate) in tips.
• ~60% of time worked spent in tippable situations.
• A high percentage of dealers are not full-time employees, and work fewer than 40 hours per week; with all of the cons (and some of the pros) associated with it.

[I'm not suggesting anyone denies this as the baseline, just pointing it out as more supporting data.]

Sorry if this has already been posted, I searched but couldn't find anything. My question is, do dealers ever tip out their supervisors in any casino? If so, how does it work? I would assume it is a set percentage of their tips, like in a restaurant when servers tip bus boys and bartenders.

It depends on the specific market and the size of the room, but 10-15% to the floor is pretty standard.

q/q

THings I will Never do again:
I once had 5 bucks in quarters in my pocket from Slot Mach cash outs, apparently this is not real money to cocktail servers nor poker dealers.

One dealer gave me BACK the 4 quarters! cocktail watresses take it, but stair u down!

I had exactly the same situation with a dealer returning 4 quarters, after I tipped on a small pot. Evidently she didnt realize that 4 quarters is exactly the same as a 1 dollar chip. Since she is a dealer, I respect that she didnt quite understand.

Thanks man


Maybe the particular casino had a policy against dealers accepting cash tips. Even if there wasn't, I'd bet the rent money she understood four quarters was equal to one dollar chip.

I have used one dollar presidential coins to tip dealers and waiters. There have been no reaction from dealers. Waiters often enjoy getting them. Other players have memtioned that I should not tip with coins.

If u get reactions from dealers it might be only the place they work for has a policy which they can only accept tips in form of chips, no currency. I can't see a dealer being pissed off on 4 quarters, maybe he/she might actually get in trouble hence the reason why one of the dealers gave it back!

Your theory is plausible, however if that were the case the dealer should explain that he isn't allowed to accept anything other than chips, and not just toss the quarters back to the player.

I routinely tip cocktail waitresses with cash (bills), but would NEVER give them coins. It is too heavy and "jingly". Would you tip a stripper with 4 quarters??

I saw a player tip the dealer a 50 cent piece in AC last month. Pot was small (or it was a split pot). Dealer accepted it just like anything else.

I just try to remember how many small pots I win, and try to tip a buck every other small pot.

Do most players tip in cash or chips. I am going to try live around Chicago (Horseshoe and Crown) and it never occurred to me to tip other than with chips.

A dollar every other small pot sounds good to me. I can see tipping $20 over 300 hands (at 1-2NL) -- if you can't cover that with ease, what are you doing playing?

I'm in total agreement, but remember what forum you're in. B+M is the wrong spot for this type of statement, most people posting here would cut their left arm off if it meant $.03 more of positive EV per session at the tables.

YES

Do poker dealers generally make more or less than dealers of other games in the casino? Are certain table games notoriously good/bad?

Baccarat is a bad tipping game in general. Huge percentage of table game profits comes from that game tho, so the house really doesn't mind putting more bac tables everywhere. It's happening in Macau, they're closing sections with slots or poker tables and adding more baccarat everywhere

In most, if not all places, table game dealers share tips. Poker, they don't (99% of the time).