You can have a 5 minute pot that is $80 and a one minute pot that is $500.

But some dealers only seem to complain about the size of tip from the $500 pot.

And some dealers never seem to appreciate players who play quickly so that the dealer can get 1-2 more hands per down. They only notice the tip.

True, I many not be the best tipper but I always know when its my turn and usually act right away and rarely tank more than 10 seconds.

Funny how you always bring up the unappreciative dealers. They must be the majority where you play. Or they're the only ones you notice.

Hopefully you're joking. There are well over 500 unemployed dealers in las vegas alone, there are 250+ applications in waiting at Casino Arizona last I checked, and even at crazy indian reservations like the morongo have wait lists of over 100. Being a dealer is an awesome job that everyone wants... lol.

You tip barbers for a job well done. Tip dealers for a job well done.


I'm not sure why you wouldn't tip dealers. I tip well and I can't tell you how many times I've magically won pushes at blackjack tables, pushed losses, had floor rule in my favor in strange situations, etc. I'm almost certain that tipping well is +EV long run + it's +lifeEV since you're not an *******.

You do realize that is one of the arguments against the tipping culture?

And that it says tons about the Floor in question?

I don't tip my barber since he owns the place and is getting all the money anyway and not just a part of it and he does not expect a tip but if he is off and an employee is working I'll tip him. But I would be careful taking pots that I didn't win I know players who went to jail for collusion with the dealer on this.

Never taken down a poker pot that I didn't win, only a few blackjack spots where I honestly didn't even notice that my 5-card 18 and his 6-card 19 were different until he'd already said push and went on to the next hand. I imagine that it's very difficult to catch anything like this, call it collusion, etc., especially when anyone can make that mistake...

If the dealer makes this mistake to you often it is not hard for surveillance to see it and charges have been filed on both dealers and players, be careful. Jail time or fines and attorney fees are not worth the small win you are being paid.

Brantford Charity Casino in Ontario.

I spoke to my buddy Tuesday night, and he said my numbers were reasonable. (within a 10% spread).

well high-five to all you non tippers. you won the battle in my room this past week. $1,200,000 + prize pool in the main event and not a single dollar tipped. 6 days of dealing to "pros" "internet pros" and our locals in the 10k main event certainly wasn't worth a dollar of the 460k first place took. i'm not complaining just advertising your enormous victory so congrats. When all the good dealers quit and you get stuck with the same brain deads from walmart and mcdonalds i hope you all look back and say "man i'm glad i didn't give that dealer extra money when he was good for being good and just let him earn 65% of minimum wage"

$10K. How much taken out for vig? How much for "staff and dealers"?

And, six days for a 120 person tournament?

There was not a dealer add on and/or % taken out?

if there was a % taken out the dealers can gf themselves

3% for "Tournament Staffing Fee" (the juice)... we dont see any of that money it goes to the cashiers, the floors base, our base pay (my base is less than $5/hr), and higher management. Big sign by registration that says $0 go to the dealers.
6 days because of who sponsored the tournament. 5 1.5hr levels per day + final table.

Then where does the entry fee go if that covers tourney expenses?

sorry it is not a "staffing fee"... the correct verbiage the casino uses is "tournament administration fee" which goes to, as i said, the cashiers, the floors, the TD's salary, the dealers base pay, and all the juice that goes to the house. The buy in was 10k. 9700 to the pool and 300 for "tournament administration fee". Total prize pool after juice was $1,778,300. #beststiffever

I find it extremely hard to believe that separated incidents vs. clearly drunk/high players will be pushed. Maybe I'm wrong.

What if I truly don't notice? I'm sure that it's happened before...

EDIT: Moreover, are you telling me that if dealers start paying off the the 92-year-old lady who can't count past 10 that they're both going to be arrested/charged? no way...

Why I don't want to tip:

It really just comes down to dollars and cents. I figure I win an average of 2.5 pots/hr and I tip an average of $1/pot. I have records for 1400 hours of play. I think I'm lucky to be in the black to the tune of $0.99/hr. But I've paid $2.5/hr in tips. The amount I tip outweighs the amount I make?? Something just seems wrong about that. Then when I think about what the house takes it really makes me sick!

Why I do tip:

It's how the dealers make their money. It repels unwanted attention.

On the contrary, I think that everything Palimax says makes perfect sense. I'm in exactly the same situation - a solid tipper, who thinks that the entire model is silly.

So if someone has taken $10,000 (say it slowly, it means more - 10 thousand dollars) of their own HARD-EARNED money to play in a tournament, some of which contributes to your pay, you want them to pay you more on top?

Not sure how much sympathy you're going to get here.

Wow, your not understanding the guy. The 3% taken out of the tourney is NOT going to the dealers but everyone around them. But players THINK that the dealers get the 3%

You are not reading his post properly.

He says himself the money goes to his "base pay".

He needs to explain the base pay thing more but it sounds like their making nothing in the tournies which I believe, except when they deal cash.

no i'm not complaining just stating the fact like i said - the stiffs won this time. I can deal 20 hours in the room and make more money than I do working 3 weeks in tournament. Thats with a usual tournament toke rate of around $1-1.5/hour. Now, with the biggest tournament having contributed $0 to that toke rate which will be calculated for the last 3 weeks and used approximately 1300 dealer hours i'm sure what will show up in our checks is less than $.25/hr. Like i said before I'm not complaining about it, i chose to have this job and i chose to work it i'm just trying to make all you non tippers happy about the biggest stiff in history. 6 days of dealing 10 hours a day and not a dollar to say "hey good job guys" so when all the good dealers quit and you're left with some incompetent kid from mcdonalds i hope you rethink your strategy

o rly?

and yea i agree it sucks but what can you do - its going to happen sometimes.