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I think tipping for every hand you win is a bit excessive and can end up taking a lot of money out of your stack. I also think tipping for stand hands that you take down preflop or on the flop with a cbet is too much. Right now I tip a buck for roughly every other pot I win that sees a turn or is a big pot I won on the flop.
If you go to a bar and order a beer or two, and the check is under 10$, do you NOT tip the bartender? If you DO, please explain the difference. Because if you heard someone say, "If my dinner check is under 30$ I don't tip on it", you would think it's the most ridiculous thing in the world, but you think at a poker table its right for some reason.
See here's what I think goes on. You got all these grinders who don't want to tip well because it hurts THEY'RE winrate. Thats the bottom line. If you guys just came out and said "I dont like to tip well because I want the money for myself, and I don't feel morally bad about stiffing and undertipping." I would have to respect that. Because at least you're being honost with yourself and you're thinking is concise. But instead, you guys do these mental gymnastics to avoid facing the fact that you're greedy. You make all these lame justifications for it "oh they're job is easy" "oh they make more $ then mcdonalds employees. That's not the way it should be" Face the fact, you didn't tip 1$ on a $800 pot because you're concerned about equal rights in the labor industries. You do it because you're greedy. Own up to it.
Now obviously I am a dealer. Obviously I'm biased. But I've also been a Pro and am still a semi-pro. So Ive been on both sides of the line. I'm not gonna give you a right/wrong morality trip, But let me talk to you guys in dollars and cents.
First of all, Dealers DO NOT make 100k+ a year. Not even close. I'm not saying no dealer in the world makes that but if they do, they're the best dealers in the house at the best casino's in the world. 50k is probably closer to average. Let me explain to you guys why it behooves you for dealers to make decent money.
Right off the bat, a direct effect is this: If I'm dealing at a table and I'm gettin 1$ every fourth hand. My dealing is gonna be, how do I say this?, a bit paced. But if I get to a table and the tips are good and the red birds are flying, watch me speed up. I start moving like a god dam humming bird. Not alot of dealers will admit this but its just the reality. The quicker I go, the more hands/hour=more hands=more oppurtunity to take that fish's money= a better winrate for YOU.
See the pro and the fish have a symbiotic relationship. Same thing with the Casino in general. Alot of people complain about the rake, and the jackpot, and this and that. But you gotta take a step back, and look at the bigger picture. Think about the service they're providing you. As a pro, it's SO easy for you. All you have to do is wake up, have your breakfast, and then drive over to a beautiful air-conditioned building where the fish are just waiting for you to come take they're $. They're running commercials nightly to draw these fish in for you. They are your marketing department for your poker business. Try getting that rich fish, whos dripping in gold, to come play you in your living room. They are also your security. They have a room full of guys watching survailance cameras whose sole job it is to protect YOUR $. Try living a life like the young doyle brunson, driving 100s of miles to find a game, and then having to worry about getting robbed, cheated, or shot. At a casino they have a whole staff of brutes in blue blazers who's job it is to protect YOU. They'll even walk you to your car on request. When you pay the rake/tips, you gotta realize what you're getting in return.
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there is no math just matching stack sizes. I thought about it and it's pretty much true.
This is absolutely ridiculous.
Try to deal a hand with 4 allins: 1 for $17(3 reds, 2 whites), 1 for 31(1 green, 1 red, 1 white), 1 for $75(3 greens), and 1 for $115(1 black,3 red ) and see if you can do it "just matching stacks" without using math.
Try to count down a bank of $1200 in various chips and various stack sizes and cash bills in 20 seconds while you've got 10 impatient pokerplayers waiting to get to the next hand
Try dealing 2/4 limit holdem with an allins on every street and know exactly how much rake and jackpot money to take from each individual pot
Try dealing 1/3 PLO
The point is not that it's the hardest math in the world. obviously its not. Its strings of multiplication, addition and subtraction. The point is that you have to do it all in your head, quickly, efficiently, and you have to get it right EVERY TIME.
Dealing poker efficiently takes alot of skill. Not everyone can do it, despite what everyone whos ever sat at a poker table thinks. Not only math, but technique, speed, temperment, and social skills. When I went to dealer school, In that room, the cold hard truth was, probably 75% of the class simply would never be able to deal poker properly.Would never pass an audition. and could never hold a dealer job. Alot of the people on this forum are generally pretty sharp people, but you gotta think about the general population. There were plenty of people who no matter how much they practiced, could not calculate side pots quickly and efficiently, could not look down at 5 different omaha hi/lo hands and decifer what the hi's and lows of each hands were, and did not have the type of personality that could take control of a rowdy poker game.
You guys seem to think that if you only had to tip enough for dealers to make minimum wage it would be a good thing for you. It would NOT.
Someone posted something earlier about how you dont want you're poker dealer to be a kid who's doing this as a summer jobfor beer money, until school semester starts back up. This is SO right no. You WANT your poker dealer to be a career dealer. You WANT there to be a high demand for the job. That way 400 people audition and they filter it down to the 8 or so best of the bunch. If you guys think some WORKING dealers are bad. You don't even wanna know about the other 100 that auditioned and DIDN't get the job. And what a god damned nightmare it would be if THEY were running your game. If Dealing poker were a minimum wage job, I dont think you guys understand how bad it would be. Because all the sharp, proffesional dealers that you see now, would quit and get other jobs.
If that's what you want, then good luck to you. And when every other side pot is wrong, and it's your money being shipped to someone else mistakenly, and you got two russian guys colluding against you in they're native tongue and the dealer doesn't do anything about it because they're lazy and dont want to get into a confrontation, and you're getting about 7 hands an hour in, you might reconsider.
Bottom line: You don't want the fry girl from McDonalds running your poker game. Not when it's YOUR thousands of dollars they're handling.