On a by-player basis, most people visiting a casino card room will never be long-term winners either.

Most won't.
A small percentage will.

This is better than table games, where "most" is replaced with "all".

So, based on this, your witch hunt to find out where I work/what I make was to call me out on a rule you didn't know existed until a day or 2 ago?

Or, perhaps instead of blowing your money at the casino, you could do the real noble thing and donate some of that gambling money to your favorite charity. That would go a lot further than a dollar here and there.

This argument (for why poker players should tip even when losing) applies only to poker players who believe they are beating the game in the long term. For the rest of them, poker is the same in this regard as a table game: potentially fun variance, with zero or negative expectation. Seems those players should feel comfortable tipping as they would at a table game, i.e., only when winning.

Excellent post. Tough to answer though since virtually every poker player will claim to be a winning one, when everyone knows that this is total nonsense. I'm sure many people who are losing players even believe that they are winners.

As far as me trying to find out where you are currently employed as a dealer, I never did. I never believed you were currently employed as dealer. Where you work is of no interest to me.

I believed you were a level. I still do. I believe your misuse of terms such as correlation and witch hunt, not recognizing the minus sign were all a deliberate part of that level.

Without me making any comment on the curent way dealers are tipped:
To decrease your tips to dealers based on DHAL is to play into his hands.
Too many of his posts have been designed to lower dealers' tips for it to have been an accident. Lowering dealers' income is what DHAL wants.

Not the exact same as my opinion but close enough to show I am not alone.

Why do people make excuses up for why they don't tip? If you don't want to tip then don't tip. You don't need to excuse it or justify it. It's your money, do whatever you want. Nobody forces you to.

Just realize that it is very bad etiquette and you will probably get a horrible reputation from the casino staff and some players as well.

I'm one of the idiot "weak people" that must be worried about what people think, so I tip generously. Funny thing, I still made money (more than most playing 1/2).

Here is what I enjoy- A dealer that is smart, quick w/ words, works fast, is constantly keeping the action moving, and doesn't say too much.

Had a dealer today turn over several of my cards while dealing because his form while dealing is terribly wrong and he has no accuracy w/ the cards.

1st dealer getting tipped everytime, 2nd dealer maybe every other, maybe every third? I see it as performance based, not so much on how I am doing.

Do a good job and you will be rewarded. Do a ****ty job and then see how your tips compare at the end of the night.

I think I need to move. Our tips at the casino's in alberta are POOLED between the dealers! Every 2 days, we get tipped out, only 2am-noon is late night hours and tips are split between the late night dealers, who are usually of higher grade. Nonetheless, I have worked a couple of shifts where I was the only dealer along with 1 houseman, and that was my highest paying day. I want my own tips!

Had an interesting conversation with one of the dealers over tipping in tournaments while we were hand-for-hand waiting for the other table to finish.

Dealer claimed anywhere from 5% to 10% is a reasonable or fair tip.

I stated that I always understood that 2% is standard, but dealer disagreed at first, then relented and said anywhere from 2% to 10% is okay, with 2% being on the low side.

Can you imagine leaving a 10% tip - $20,000 - if you won the AZ State Championship?

If you play for fun, or your name is "Phil" (as in Ivey or Hellmuth), then sure, go ahead and leave 10%.

For your average break-even or small winning player tho, 10% is absolutely absurd IMO.

I will continue to leave 2%.

I also learned some of the tips from the State Championship but I won't divulge. Needless to say, they were closer to 2 than 10.

Thoughts?

Never talk to a dealer about tips?

That is sound advice, they will always say you undertip unless you are in the top 5% of tippers.

Honestly, when tournaments charge the Dealer Appreciation Tax at the beginning of the tournament they should see anymore tips as pure generosity.

Both 2% and 10% are arbitrary amounts, both can be too low or too high depending. I believe Raymer was one of the first to point this out and the proper solution.

The proper solution is that you should determine the right percentage that produces a reasonable hourly rate you want to tip the dealers, $10, $20, $30, whatever, and tip that. Calculations aren't that difficult.

First, estimate the table hours of the tournament. This can be done as simply as dividing the number of starting tables by 2 and multiply by the length in hours of the tournament. This should produce a rough, but probably reasonably accurate estimate of total table hours. You can also adjust it up or down based on your "feel" of how accurate it is.

Second, multiply your preferred hourly tip rate by the hours to find out how much all dealers should be tipped in total.

Third, divide the "tip pool" by the "prize pool" and you have a reasonably accurate percentage to pay to give the hourly tip rate you preferred. If there is a dealer appreciation fee in the tournament I'd incorporate that into my calculations as part of the "tip pool".

I would never allow a dealer to determine what is "fair", but I certainly was interested to get their take. This was one of the "higher echelon" dealers at CAZ, so I valued their opinion only so I had their perspective on it for comparison with my opinion.

I might have heard the same thing from the same dealer. He also let the table know how much some of the top finishers in the state championship tipped. He said it was 5k from two of the top 4 finishers, and one of the top 4 tipped nothing (or virtually nothing).

for me i tip all the 50cent chips i get+$1 for very decent pots and +$2 for every big pot

The local cardroom has a jackpot. Starts at $1k, goes up $500 a day. Drop is $5. Aces full of kings or better has to lose, both cards need to qualify for both hands.

Distribution is 40 to loser, 20 to winner, 40 table share.

I'm curious if you hit the prize, what percentage do you tip the dealer?

Ty in advance

1-2% imo... why is the max it goes up only $500 per day? Does your room have tons of promotions

Never tip and I don't give a ****. It's ludicrous and should not as automatic as most of you make it out to be.

You don't have to, but I see no problem with 1% as stated granted it's a good dealer, never had problems with him/her etc... 2% if you're feeling generous.

I tip whenever I want the dealer to give me a good hand.