I agree...that's why I said the CHEF did it not the waitress.

I didn't say the waitress brought it out either. It's still a shitty analogy - however you want to frame it.

What if the manager just brings a check for the amount of money that was saved over the years of smaller portions?

Come on guys, tipping the dealer on a BBJ is just sharing the joy.

I agree, given that tipping while corporations shaft their employees is inexorably part of American culture and won't change. However, I would rather folks take about half of what they'd tip the jackpot dealer and spread it around to other dealers. Alas, now the jackpot dealer would feel screwed because that's not usually how it works. (Or maybe they'd be legit happy for their colleagues, I dunno).


Slightly funny story about a recent situation (I was there for the double high hand but didn't see the tip) where someone tipped for a jackpot then didn't win it: HHJ story

If I won a BBJ, I'm pretty sure I would feel no joy. I would be thinking "it's about time I got part of the money back I've been forced to gamble for the last 20 years".

Next time a player is in a tough spot on the river, the dealer should share in the difficulty by calling the river for him or her.

There are some good reasons to tip a dealer on a BBJ, but this one is the most "I hope you're dumb enough to fall for this" reason of them all.

It's like if you saved $100K on your mortgage with a refinance, are you going to share in the joy by giving $10K to the loan officer who drew up the papers?

I think JayKon was being sarcastic or silly. I just still thought it would be worth saying what my feelings would be.

I was mostly thinking in terms of the rec player. For those that make all, or part of their income playing poker, it's a social cost of doing business to give up some of it. On a high-hand bonus, I'll generally tip about 5%, about half that on the big end of a (very rare) BBJ.

The thing is, for me, I overwhelmingly play in one room and, frankly, like and am friendly with many of the dealers, floor, and cage - who have worked there for years and are quite competent.

So, you see, since I make a nice addition to my income playing poker and (mostly) like the people working there, I don't get bitter about the rake, the jackpot money that was withheld, or the "administrative fee" taken from the "promotion fund".

Here's how I took it: There's a pretty strong social consensus that those who experience a windfall "should", normatively if not legally, be generous to others.

You can provide good reasons why you've paid however much jackpot drop and so it's not really a windfall. No one at your table when you hit a big BBJ gives a **** how much jackpot drop you've paid. They just see you've had a lot of good luck that night.

I'd rather embrace the positivity and just be generous. The dealer doesn't "deserve" it for pitching me certain cards and not others. But it's fun, it's rare enough that it doesn't matter much in the One Big Session, and it probably carries some salvage EV to not seem like a gloomy nit focused on the past.

Not everyone will find that fun and that's cool. That said I wouldn't go above 5%.

Honestly I guess I don't know for sure how I would feel if that happened. But I know I would only begrudgingly tip the dealer so I wouldn't become personal non grata in the room.

I would think that even a losing rec player who has paid as much money as I did into BBJ funds without getting any of it back would also be salty about it though.

Luckily the rooms I mostly have played in for the last several years either don't have promos at all or have mini high hand jackpots which are much easier to hit and I've gotten my share of those.

You're talking about people with a budget, not a bankroll. To these guys, all the bonuses are basically found money.

Yes, but I'm talking about those who haven't found any.

Do you not think a rec who had played a lot of poker in Atlantic City for 20 years but never gotten any share of a jackpot might be unhappy about it?

Perhaps, but they also complain about never winning the lottery. I really see a lot of these guys just coming in and pulling the slot machine handle.

Rather than stating a rude contrarian point of view, can you QUALIFY with words and logic why it is a 'shitty' analogy?

Perhaps you don't understand the analogy.....it goes like this:




Waitress brings food daily **** Dealer deals cards daily
Restaurant decides to retain food ******* Casino decides to retain money
Food randomly distributed in lump sum ****** BBJ randomly distributed in large sum
Waitress expended no extra effort *********Dealer expended no extra effort

Since it is a SHITTY analogy, I sure you will have no problem tearing each similarity apart and showing everyone
why it is SHITTY.

Thank you.

In Japan they routinely sell Hole-in-One insurance 'just in case' .. because in Japan you are traditionally (morally) required to host a party in your own honor if you happen to hole out from the tee.

So similarly, if a Poker Player has good fortune they traditionally share the wealth with their Dealer (caddy).

Also in Japan it's bad form to beat (show up) your boss .. so you have to wait 3 months to get a tee time and then if your boss wedges into the foursome you can't play your best! GL

You're still on this, brah?

For an analogy to be an analogy, it has to be a comparison to something actual and not magical. I fixed your analogy by using two steaks that are the same in weight but are far different in price.

If I hit the jackpot I’d probably tip 3% between everyone (floors, dealer, people I like that are chiprunners bartenders drink girls, etc).

If it was a huge one, that 3% would probably come downs to like 1-2%

These comparisons are always based on a little bit of a false premise, anyway. The general form is, "You know this custom that's favored in poker's social ecosystem? See how silly it looks when transposed to some other ecosystem?" Invariably it does look silly. Then folks fight over what is or isn't analogous from one setting to the other, when they usually don't start out with that much in common.

(Me, I think we should be seated at a table with seven other diners and a steak in the middle, and then we vie with each other to see who gets the steak before we cut off a bite and toss it to the server.)

It ends up in "Social expectations in a poker room are different from social expectations in X," which is close to a tautology, with the implication "And social expectations shouldn't be different in a way that costs me money to pursue my hobby," which is a non sequitur. Perhaps restaurants are just not that much like poker rooms.

It's really not that complicated. If they ever surveyed 100 people for a Family Feud category with, "Name a profession that receives tips," the number one answer would be "Waiter/Waitress". So it's pretty obvious that a restaurant would be the go-to analogy in this thread.

Now to contribute something of actual on-topic substance.

I doubt that many players would have considered this, but when the BBJ gets juicy, tips go down considerably. The room fills up with nits who have no desire to build a pot or force any action. Instead they're content to see any flop with a pocket pair or with suited connectors (or gapped connectors, or double-gapped connectors) as cheaply as possible. And when they do hit a flop they don't bet it for fear of chasing out someone who might go runner-runner to claim the bad beat for the table.

Instead of pushing $70 and $80 pots on a $1-2 table, the dealer pushes $10 and $15 pots that all go to the river, which typically result in a tip of either $0 or $1.

After weeks (or months) of build-up for an increasingly "easy" bad beat qualifier, the dealer at the winning table is hoping for a windfall of somewhere between 5 to 10 percent. Please note that I said "is hoping for" and not "deserves".

Anyhow, the room is definitely busier when the BBJ gets big, and management is usually less concerned about overtime, but ask any dealer, and chances are you'll learn that the tables suck during these times. The fact that the action and table talk is mind-numbingly boring only exacerbates the artificially small pots.

Fair enough. Superficially it's more similar than, say, mortgage lending. But it's not that similar in the particulars that matter. (And mortgage lending deals with sums at least as large as a BBJ, so there's a case to be made there too.)

The salient point is, almost never does a restaurant offer a windfall of $10,000 or more. No ****, right? That's why it's just an analogy, right?

But it means any comparison premised on a windfall from a restaurant is going to start out absurd and end up absurd. The absurdity doesn't argue for or against anything. How would I react if the server brought me a magical 5-ton steak that doesn't feel any heavier? Blergh! The Aristocrats!

The only sensible restaurant comparison I can think of is if the server or bartender puts in your order for keno or scratch-off cards or something, and you win $10k that way. Other comparisons, in the casino, might be going on a heater at the craps table and running $100 up to $10k. Make of those what you will.

Say $80K gets disbursed to the table on a jackpot.

You, as the dealer, is hoping for between $4K and $8K. How much do you think you actually deserve? $5? $1K? $5K? $20K?

I’d say the dealer “should get” about 1k on an 80k payout. This comes to 1.25%. Big end tips 500, small end tips 250, the rest tip about 50 bucks.

I only play online because these kind of situations make be anxious because i dont understand what to do. i dont understand any of the terminology used here.

can someone dumb this down for me on what is going on here?

1. what is a "hot table promo"?

2. im assuming "clocked in at the table" means those that were already seated and playing before the promo occurred gets a piece of the promo?

3. what is "the dealers down" mean?

4. As stated by the poster "I thought I’ll tip 10 since it’s not a dealt hand and if it was a high hand maybe $25." why is this "not a dealt hand"? and what does he mean by "if it was a high hand" ?