Yep I’ve dealt in 2 rooms in Florida and we reported 100% with a 10% drop for the brushes/chip runners/cage personnel. I’ve heard that Ebro up in the panhandle switched to tip compliance but I’m not 100% sure on that.


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A Tip Compliance Agreement is Federal, not State, and makes things much easier on the employer side for 941/WH taxes. BUT there very well could be some states that don't allow them, perhaps Florida is one of those.

As far as taking a cut. It's probably still 'OK' to take out for other assistance staff, but the employer keeping a 'handling' fee is and should be a no no. As far as complaining or whistle blowing .. to each their own and good luck. The last thing that's happening right now is employer labor audits.

A Dealer's best life? Married to a spouse who carries the medical, part time (2-4 shifts) at casino with 1-2 home games mixed in per week. You can ponder all you want about what home games pay, but you just better come up with the fact that they pay well. AND it's all about skill and personality at home games as well.

While your definition of 'training' may be a bit loose I would put it out there that there's one of widest gaps in competency in the Dealer trade when compared to other trades. GL

Serving tho.

I will not dispute that's an ideal situation, bringing in unreported cash, and at a much higher rate than you'd make working a legal game, unless you get caught at the private games and lose your license.

Certainly a risk .. all that has to happen is a Player that 'you' gave a bad beat to snaps a picture and shows a Floor or other.

Michigan Dealers can't even work at the legal charity game rooms as a 2nd income. And Gaming would find out since all Dealers need to be named in the 'party' application or the Supplier/Charity faces a fine/penalty. GL

We have about a half dozen players and one dealer in my small room who run home games and every one of them is intolerable. I don't care if the money is good, I want nothing to do with them. That and I've heard too many stories about robberies, raids, cheating, and stealing.

I can say with certainty that 100% of the unsanctioned games I dealt and played in stole from the players.

That's really too bad .. and perhaps I'm too ignorant to have never caught it, which would be very disappointing.

IMO the only way to steal from the Players is to double rake. I watch the Dealers from time to time to see if they stick to a pattern of when rake is pulled. I also 'purchase' the rake in exchange for a black chip if it's in a tray and not dropped .. so I kind of know how often $100 is being taken off the table as well.

If there's a marked deck or two Players working together then shame on me for sure. I've only seen where two whales try to isolate with each other and then chop up the dead chips .. and both of them have lost shirts, pants and one night a lot more than that in the game, so variance is in play. (keep it clean) GL

I was dealing a home 4-6 table tournament. The three hosts brought in a debit card machine for rebuys. When this happened the prize pool seemed to be a bit off. The three hosts always used their card for rebuys. One night I wrote down the final chip count going into the final table and when accounting for rebuys it was off by about the amount the hosts had rebought for. Lots of ways to take money off the table.

Using debit has a % cut, if they're using square or whatever probably more. But yes there are lots of ways to take money off the table.

Over-raking, double take, take as much as you can as the night wears on and players get drunk or tired. We were also (kind of ignored) dropping tyhe rake as tokes as the nights came to an end. I've also worked at legal rooms where dealers dropped rake as tokes for years before they get caught ,(eventually they usually do). Dumb because they obviously lose their job, will never get another gaming license and may (but almost aren't) charged criminally.

At my previous job a dealer got pulled off a table mid-down and perp walked out by the police. He had been dropping the jackpot money in his toke box for a while. Doesn't make sense - you'll never pull enough out to make it worth losing your livelihood, going to jail, or in some cases getting deported.

I'm sure it's been discussed before but how do people feel about this?

HU on the turn a player pretips the dealer $2 before shoving allin. I am very annoyed but I don't say anything, call and win. I just considered the tip covered for that hand because I felt shorted, but what if it had been a larger amount?

For $2, whatever. Don't really care. If it was more I'd care for sure. Not sure where I draw the line but I feel like it starts mattering around $10.
$5 probably still in the "meh whatever" camp.

I used to be like you. You'll be much happier in life when you learn to let these things go. Toss the dealer a buck and move on.

The dealer isn’t supposed to drop that tip unless the AI player wins.

I used to deal, so I see both sides. If someone throws me chips for a tip, I drop it immediately and thank them.

From the player side I would be a little annoyed that the guy spent $2 of the table stakes money that is going AI and that I won.

I have seen the same scenario where people tip the waitress like $5 as they are call an AI, which is BS also.

Also, people at the track in Florida would bet $20-$50 a race and pay the runner out of their chip stack, which is BS.

Still feel that the tip was covered. If you lose the hand you just saved that amount of money and should be happy the dealer got it from villain instead of you losing it to villain.

I've seen dealers perp walked for stealing at a legit job and working a legit job perp walked for working (not even stealing, though... generally they were) at illegal games on the side.

They can still usually get jobs on cruise ships and at some legit places in other countries. Here the chance of being deported is unlikely (since you generally have to have citizenship for the job AFAIK), and actually spending time in jail is unlikely because what casino wants that kind of bad publicity for such a small effect on the bottom line?

We had a roulette dealer stealing at least 1k almost every shift he worked, sometimes up to 5k (part time on swing, when we had very high rollers playing) because of terrible procedures we had. He got cuffed, charged, and was able to settle. I don't know for how much but whatever it was the casino won't ever recoup their losses. Procedures changed. They were stealing from the casino though, so a bit different.

We had a couple poker dealers busted stealing from the casino, too, because every rack used to contain about 40k in the rack. Grab a five hundred dollar chip (that should never have been in the rack, let alone 60 of them), click a 500 buying and things seem to balance out (until count, but exact count for poker isn't an exact science when you have buyins at the table, and no one in upper manager knows anything about poker). Procedures changed.

Do you tip the floor, how often how much?
Do you tip the cage, how much?
Do you tip cleaners (room), how much?

Do you tip anyone else, if so how much?

It depends on the jurisdiction. I don't know the particular dealer's immigration status but he was from another country and many of the dealers there are not citizens or permanent residents. It is true that many casinos brush this stuff under the rug rather than prosecute, which is unfortunate. Even REALLY bad scandals don't seem to hurt rooms. Hialeah stayed in business after it was discovered top management was robbing the players and dealers blind. I'd rather see the book thrown at anyone caught stealing so they can't get another dealing job and do it again.

there was an ancient thread about an all in at the wynn (i think) where a player was pondering a call of an all in and tipped something like $500 to the waitress and then called the all in for $5

floor ruled it was allowed in the story and then the guy sucked out and won the pot

tipping a few bucks pre all in happens sometimes but i've never even thought about it

One time I 4b jammed pre with 77 vs someone I don’t like and he snap called. I tried to tip $100 and floor ruled I couldn’t. He flopped top set and I asked if there was an aces cracked promotion, which I knew there wasn’t.

There's a difference between trying to tip money still in your stack and trying to tip money that is already committed to the pot. Money in the pot is no longer yours to tip. If it's still in your stack most rooms will allow you to use it to buy food, drinks, or give away as a tip. If I'm the dealer I'm dropping it.

The only time I delay dropping something is when someone tips before their opponent has shown or mucked. If it turns out they're being slowrolled I COULD still keep it but wouldn't feel right doing so.