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05-09-2019 , 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by TopJimmy2U
Quick question about tipping in a tournament....[7%] will go towards the staff toke pool ... before you get to your table. I'm all for tipping so I have no problem with this, the question is, do you tip if you cash in the tournament?
I've heard 3% is what you should tip.
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05-10-2019 , 10:41 PM
The easiest way to get nothing is tell me what I should tip.
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05-18-2019 , 09:23 AM
New tipping method in the experimental stage ...

I just tip $5 at the end of every down no matter the results. It's actually been noticed by both Dealers and Players who know me.

Plus ... If every Player at the table 'simply' did this then the Dealers would make $90 per dealing hour.
Plus ... It takes the results out of the equation.

Minus ... No 'incentive' for Dealers to preform better/faster than any other Dealer.

Not sure if I will stick with this one, but it's been an interesting few sessions ... GL

PS ... I did tip mid down when I wasn't paying attention very well a few times and the Dealer had to reel me in.
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05-18-2019 , 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by answer20
New tipping method in the experimental stage ...

I just tip $5 at the end of every down no matter the results. It's actually been noticed by both Dealers and Players who know me.

Plus ... If every Player at the table 'simply' did this then the Dealers would make $90 per dealing hour.
Plus ... It takes the results out of the equation.

Minus ... No 'incentive' for Dealers to preform better/faster than any other Dealer.

Not sure if I will stick with this one, but it's been an interesting few sessions ... GL

PS ... I did tip mid down when I wasn't paying attention very well a few times and the Dealer had to reel me in.


So you’re tipping 5bb/hr at 1/2 or 2bb/hr at 2/5 plus rake? You’re either a great player or paying the casino to sit in a chair.
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05-18-2019 , 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by answer20
New tipping method in the experimental stage ...

I just tip $5 at the end of every down no matter the results. It's actually been noticed by both Dealers and Players who know me.

Plus ... If every Player at the table 'simply' did this then the Dealers would make $90 per dealing hour.
Plus ... It takes the results out of the equation.

Minus ... No 'incentive' for Dealers to preform better/faster than any other Dealer.

Not sure if I will stick with this one, but it's been an interesting few sessions ... GL

PS ... I did tip mid down when I wasn't paying attention very well a few times and the Dealer had to reel me in.
Why dont you tip them at the start of the down instead? That way they wont think they are getting stiffed, they will appreciate thegesture, and it may actually give them an incentive to deal faster/better in appreciation.

I could also see a group of players who will not tip when they win a hand, but mysteriously have to urgently go smoke or use restroom every half hour as they see the next dealercoming in so they are not around to give that end of down tip.

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05-18-2019 , 12:48 PM
I considered doing that, but then I was thinking that if I won a lot of pots it would look cheaper.

I've noticed that more and more players are 'adding on' a few whites when I do this .. I supposed if I verbalized something as well the results would be better yet. GL
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05-18-2019 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by answer20
New tipping method in the experimental stage ...

I just tip $5 at the end of every down no matter the results. It's actually been noticed by both Dealers and Players who know me.

Plus ... If every Player at the table 'simply' did this then the Dealers would make $90 per dealing hour.
Plus ... It takes the results out of the equation.

Minus ... No 'incentive' for Dealers to preform better/faster than any other Dealer.

Not sure if I will stick with this one, but it's been an interesting few sessions ... GL

PS ... I did tip mid down when I wasn't paying attention very well a few times and the Dealer had to reel me in.
Why is this "new experimental tipping method" no different than the tipping method you said you already do (that caused a debate about year ago)? I used to do this back in the day, and will still do it when I'm playing HU or 3-4 handed, just because it's faster.
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05-19-2019 , 07:28 AM
It's new to me ... and it's very different since it's not results (commission) based. My assumption is that Dealers may actually end up with less over the long term (from me). But since I tend to do a lot of 'raise and take' type of plays (especially in NL) that I'm compensating for a lot of hands that got dealt that didn't go very far.

On a personal pat on the back ... I actually tipped two Dealers the next time I saw them in cash for their efforts in a tournament that I played in, without cashing. I was impressed that they sustained their efforts for what was probably one of the most tedious downs of poker. One of the downs only had one 3-bet and one hand that got to the River. (Yes, I was very card dead.) GL
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05-19-2019 , 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by answer20
It's new to me ... and it's very different since it's not results (commission) based. My assumption is that Dealers may actually end up with less over the long term (from me). But since I tend to do a lot of 'raise and take' type of plays (especially in NL) that I'm compensating for a lot of hands that got dealt that didn't go very far.

On a personal pat on the back ... I actually tipped two Dealers the next time I saw them in cash for their efforts in a tournament that I played in, without cashing. I was impressed that they sustained their efforts for what was probably one of the most tedious downs of poker. One of the downs only had one 3-bet and one hand that got to the River. (Yes, I was very card dead.) GL
In other words, you've always tipped at the end of the down, but now you're finally realizing that if you're going to tip at the end of the down you should tip an amount commensurate with their job performance and not how much you won? Mind blown.
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05-28-2019 , 10:45 PM
Just as a thought experiment I wanted to ask an obvious question about the topic. So long as we aren't living in a Kantian ethical world, what is the ethical consequences of not tipping? Of course if everyone did this the whole system would fail, but that would never happen. Most live games are populated with recreational players who are more than happy to tip. But as an individual, a player not tipping has minimal negative effect on any given dealer while it has a significant effect (5k-10k) on the income of the player not tipping. To add to that, suppose this game was played where we don't get to meet or see the dealer or other players, would we still feel the same moral obligation to tip? or do we just feel bad because other players at the table might judge.
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05-29-2019 , 01:04 AM
When you are out of town and eat at a restaurant where you don't know anyone and will likely never go again, do you tip the server?
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05-29-2019 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ekethio
Just as a thought experiment I wanted to ask an obvious question about the topic. So long as we aren't living in a Kantian ethical world, what is the ethical consequences of not tipping? Of course if everyone did this the whole system would fail, but that would never happen. Most live games are populated with recreational players who are more than happy to tip. But as an individual, a player not tipping has minimal negative effect on any given dealer while it has a significant effect (5k-10k) on the income of the player not tipping. To add to that, suppose this game was played where we don't get to meet or see the dealer or other players, would we still feel the same moral obligation to tip? or do we just feel bad because other players at the table might judge.


Not tipping can have a psychological impact on a dealer and make them subconsciously perform their job worse or make them more antagonistic.


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05-29-2019 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
When you are out of town and eat at a restaurant where you don't know anyone and will likely never go again, do you tip the server?
No but I live in a civilised country where employers are forced to pay their employees instead of farming their responsibilities out to customers.
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05-29-2019 , 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by WereBeer
No but I live in a civilised country where employers are forced to pay their employees instead of farming their responsibilities out to customers.
Good for you, not sure why you are participating in this thread though.
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05-30-2019 , 07:47 AM
Employers forced or not, customers in long run will pay for it by driving prices way up if tipping was eliminated.
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05-30-2019 , 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by WereBeer
No but I live in a civilised country where employers are forced to pay their employees instead of farming their responsibilities out to customers.
So you pay more than the rest of us do to play poker then? What is the rake in your games? Do you think you lose more money by paying that extra rake vs paying an extra $1 per hand you win?
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05-30-2019 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Good for you, not sure why you are participating in this thread though.
Because I like to get online and tell people that they are wrong ldo

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Originally Posted by Suit
So you pay more than the rest of us do to play poker then? What is the rake in your games? Do you think you lose more money by paying that extra rake vs paying an extra $1 per hand you win?
Rake is huge in Sydney, 10% capped at $15. The lowest available NLHE game structure is excellent IMO, 2/3 buyin $100 to $500 and most plonk down $300+. So I probably pay more to play, OTOH the field is relatively weak and I suspect the massive rake has something to do with that.

Poker-wise I might be losing out, from a societal perspective though I hugely prefer a culture where people get paid a living wage by their employer.
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05-30-2019 , 06:21 PM
More rake is better.
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05-30-2019 , 10:27 PM
There is a dealer I have chosen not to tip at all anymore. Should I tell him
why? It seems wrong to call him out for his many shortcomings in front of a bunch of people. Also, what should I say if someone else tries to call me out for not tipping him? I won a couple high hands with him and got paid while he was still in the box. It feels very awkward. Does anyone else feel bad for stiffing bad dealers?
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05-30-2019 , 11:28 PM
If you tell him why, do it outside the box.


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05-30-2019 , 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by browni3141
There is a dealer I have chosen not to tip at all anymore. Should I tell him
why? It seems wrong to call him out for his many shortcomings in front of a bunch of people. Also, what should I say if someone else tries to call me out for not tipping him? I won a couple high hands with him and got paid while he was still in the box. It feels very awkward. Does anyone else feel bad for stiffing bad dealers?
If you're not going to tip him/her, a respectful conversation outside the box is the best case scenario. It's sort of self fulfilling in the sense that if they are a quality dealer they will likely ask for a second chance. Which you should give them. If they are a PoS, they will likely get pissed and do a worse job, which will then justify future non tipping.
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05-31-2019 , 07:56 AM
I'm an English guy flying to Vegas today to play some small stakes poker. Can somebody give me a guide for what I should be tipping please? Is $1 per raked pot okay? I'm not looking to tip a massive amount but I also don't want to be stiffing the dealers. I've had a look on pokeratlas and the rake seems similar to my home casino where there's no real tipping culture.

In terms of outside of poker, I know 20% is the standard for any meals you have, where else are tips considered mandatory? If I'm having some drinks in a bar is it custom to tip every drink you buy or just at the end?

Any advice welcome and appreciated
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05-31-2019 , 08:19 AM
$1/per hand is perfectly reasonable.
If you profit more than $75 or so, adding an extra $1 might not be a terrible idea.
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05-31-2019 , 08:34 AM
WJ .. hope you have fun. Vegas is all riled up right now with WSOP starting. Obv there is 1/2-1/3 everywhere, but if you have never at least walked through the Rio during 'the' Series then I would set aside some time to do it. You can play there as well if you want.

Tip what you want, but I think $1 per pot that is of decent size or goes to the River would keep you on the Dealer's Christmas card list. GL

PS .. Certainly there is the idea that if the pot is a bit larger than average then step up the tip. There are plenty of opinions on that in this thread. Some will say that since you are just passing through then why tip in 'excess'. It's hard to share you joy at the table since you are competing with everyone but the Dealer, so that's an easy 'target' to share your joy of winning a pot ...

IMO do what you want for each hand but then also take a moment to consider the overall job done when they push out and consider something extra at that time. GL GL

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05-31-2019 , 09:06 AM
I think a dollar per decent hand is more than generous.


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