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whales don't play 1/2 nl

Smart bet to offer considering that many true ATM cards have a daily cap of $500 or less (my non-Visa/MC logo'ed ATM card is actually still capped at $300- I have no need for a higher limit)...stupid bet if it would include use of credit cards on a cash advance (given that the $1K would be less than the person withdrawing would be paying on fees).

But again, we have digressed...

There was a guy at HR Tampa that played big BJ and other games but poker he would only play 1/2nl because he loses so much. He was the absolute worst player I ever saw and by his own admission he loses over 100k a year playing 1/2nl and I totally believe him as I played with him many times.

He loves to bluff big and often and really rub it in when he pulls it off, and loves to talk smack to everyone.

he's still not a poker whale

He's a 1/2NL poker whale. Every limit has its whales.

here at run it up reno, there were tons of people buying in $500-1500 in the $1-2 NL games once the tourneys end. i won well over $5000 so far in april so im sad to see it end. even Marle sat in $1-2 briefly (not my table) before she got called for a bigger game, and we all know she is a whale.

I am glad we have kind of switched subjects, the last few pages have gotten me so infuriated. I truly cannot believe that there really are good people out there who maintain the positions that they do about tipping.

Also it really bothers me that some players have the position that "all dealers are scum". Oh boy, would I like to know what happened to cause that mentality.

$1/$2 with a $1500 buy-in? Was it uncapped buy-in? The $1/$2 NL game at the golden nugget here in Vegas is no max, and people will often buy-in for $5k or more, to try and show off.

Is it straight $1/$2 or does it have a $5 bring-in?

I used to regularly play $1/$2 w/ $5 bring-in at my go-to private game back in NY. It was my favorite game, and the max buy-in was $1.5k.

there are some wonderful people who are dealers.
there are some absolute scum who are dealers. fortunately not a lot of scum.

i am however sick and tired of terrible dealers who are beyond entitled or dealers who complain if they "only" make a few hundred off of a bbj.

i've heard dealers complaining to other dealers about "only" getting 3-5 dollars in a hand at another table when they tap in and of course it's almost always a bad dealer who can't even keep track of the pot correctly.

i really wish more people tipped dealers based on merit but that isn't going to happen.

The only time I really encountered dealers who were scum were doing my underground days in new york. I don't really see it here in Vegas.

I mean, I know plenty of dealers who are *******s, and will pull petty **** at the table, like not a push a guy his chips back before the hands is dealt, when the guy is not a blind but thinks he is, or they will not stop people who are clearly about to act out of turn, because they know it'll ruin the guy's action (who they happen to not like), stuff like that. i've also seen some people purposely clock out players (who are straight mean or stiffs) from bravo, and clock them back in as guests so they don't accumulate comps or time promotion points. oh yeah another one, some will overrake pots on people who are jerks, just because.

i don't know if that fits your definition of scum, it doesn't for me. that is more petty, passive-aggressive bull****, because dealer cannot speak up and call players out to their face when they are acting like children who need a timeout.

most often, what applies here is "what goes around, comes around". you act like a dick, you'll get treated like one.

that being said, i can tell you i've never once done any of that petty **** ever in my career, even to people who most would think deserve it. that doesn't mean i wouldn't take pleasure in the fact if i knew someone else did it to them, i'm just saying for me, the most important thing in poker is to maintain the integrity of the game, and my opinion of a player will never alter me from keeping that integrity in tact and ensuring that the game is fair for everyone at the table.

i think maybe that's why that i can think of a few players who i know, off the top of my head, that don't like me as a person at all, but like it when i'm in the box, will still tip me, and prefer me to deal the game because of my position on game integrity and fairness. i don't compromise that for anyone.

you know who you're dealing with, when you see me tell a player who just pushed in 99% of his stack into the middle, that he's not all-in because he left the $1 chip on top of his cards to protect them, and has a $1 behind.

some people hate that, some like it, but ultimately it comes from a place of wanting to protect the game and the players.

as they say, if you want people to follow the big rules, you have to make them follow the small ones, first.

Personally, I maintain the position that if you are not good at dealing the game, then it should be unacceptable for you to expect players to tip you.

If a dealer isn't good, it is okay as long as they can get through a down without making mistakes too frequently, and genuinely care about the game, and getting better at the job — something you can determine based on their attitude, during their time in the box.

Everybody's gotta start somewhere, and I was awful when I first started dealing many years ago, but I have a sense of pride when it comes to poker. There was no way I wasn't going to strive to get better, especially because of the fact that I gained a much deeper appreciation and higher level of respect for dealers who were remarkable, because I had the realization of just how long it might take to get to that to level, and that if you just do a bad job for a really long time, but are not bothered enough to learn a better way, you'll just get really good at doing a bad job.

For me, I get more pleasure and sense of appreciation from a stiff giving me an honest compliment, telling me that I'm a really good dealer, than I do from him giving me his $1.

I get annoyed and aggravated when I'm busting my ass dealing hi/lo and split pot games, keeping the entire 2-rack pot in perfect stacks of 20, stopping you from mucking your hand because you missed that you have a live 4 and get half the pot with the only qualifying lo, and nobody not only tips nothing, but treats me like crap, throws cards at me, calls me names under their breath, whatever.

If this exact situation happened, but people were pleasant to deal with, and made me feel appreciated, i would give no ****s about not getting tipped.

you don't want to tip, whatever, fine, that's your business and you are entitled to tip as little or as much as you want

But when a dealer pushes into the box, is clearly giving it a 100% so they provide you with a good game, and is putting in the effort to do things as good as or better than the last dealer who was there (if they are able to), then, it's a real spit in the face when players act disrespectful to that dealer.

You would be surprised how far a genuine "hey dealer, thanks for doing a great job on this down for us." goes.

I once had the biggest stiff in the room, who is known for not tipping anyone ever, but is well known in the poker world because of his and his relatives successes in the game, watch a hand i was dealing at his table. he was not even involved in the hand. I had to efficiently chop and ship a 6-way all-in hand (5 different pots by the river) each to the right player, having all of the money correct, maintaining countable stacks of 20 for all of the pots, and dealing with incomplete bets and remembering who was in which pot, on the river, in a hi/lo split pot game.

By some miracle, I made 0 mistakes, and finished up the hand swiftly.

This guy, the stiff, not even in the hand, stops the action in the next hand i deal, says to me, "Young man, I have to tell you that I don't think many dealers could do what you just did. That was very impressive." and tosses me a $1. I think 90% of the time, I'm going to make some type of mistake in that hand, small or big, who knows. but I guess was in the zone that day and had my rhythm going, and got lucky.

I never cashed that chip, and as you can see, it made such an impression on me, that I'll never forget it.

Things like that make a dealer feel appreciated and significantly affect their attitude.

I smell so much bull****

Don't feel too bad, I think "all players are scum" is a dealer thing to, but dealers are probably way more correct

I've been on both sides of the felt and my current belief is that all people have some amount of scumbag buried in them. Poker has a way of bringing it to the surface.

Poker tables make people feel like they are free to say or do whatever they want. This is not true.

of course they cant do or say whatever they want, theyll instantly get barred out of there if they use the wrong PC liberal disliked words. But u know why they think that way? because the XXXXXXX dealer tells them it up to u, u can do whatever u want. would the people in the box please quit using that expression. u can bet, fold, call, or raise, but u cant XXXXXXX do whatever u want, so quit XXXXXXX saying it

I've given dealers compliments as well as extra tips when they're good.
It absolutely infuriates me when good dealers get stiffed, especially when people make them do a ton of extra work. for example running pots 2-3 times and making the dealer bring everything in to chop the pots because they don't understand 4th grade math.I also want to vomit when i see people throw greens to awful dealers.

It will be interesting to see how many of the Dealers make it through the (slow) summer season here locally. Traffic has already been cut drastically even before the weather fully turns warm and now that 'tax season' is over.

Hopefully Dealers pace their income for the highs and lows. I can't imagine coming in for work and being sent home without even taking a down, but it will start happening much more regularly now for this crew that's had it very good since last fall.

I've also recently found out that the hourly is around $6 and the tip compliance is around $11-12/hour. Not sure if that's total or 'on top' of the base wage. IMO that's a lot of un-taxed tips during busy season. The unknown is how that flattens out with all the breaks and brushes over the course of a year. Hopefully the tournament downs don't get mixed in there either as I can't imagine that even with Dealer Add-ons that tournament tips are enough to overcome the tip compliance. GL

You're red and mad because you can't say your favorite slurs out loud, and it's extremely funny.

Ok, I glanced through but way too many pages on this. Quick question about tipping in a tournament. In a $200 tourney - $155 will go into the prize pool. $31 is the registration fee. $14 will go towards the staff toke pool. That's a 7% tip before you get to your table. I'm all for tipping so I have no problem with this, the question is, do you tip if you cash in the tournament?

Thanks

I wouldn’t tip on a cash but probably would on 1st or 2nd.


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Wow .. only 14 posts since 2014 .. welcome back? Always good to answer questions with questions ...

1) How do you tip in cash games? Do you ramp up the tip for larger pots?
2) How do you tip in other situations (food service) in comparison to the 7% figure?

3) As a min tip would you just project that 7% to any amount over $200?
4) Would you subtract the $14 from any calculated tip % since 'it's already in there'?

5) Tipping is always an option ... your option.
6) My impression is that it's fairly unusual for a Player that doesn't reach FT to tip very much, if at all.

7) Are you a reg in the room? I will tip Dealers during cash games for dealing me well in a tournament ... that way I know it goes to them specifically instead of getting saturated. But don't tell them what it's for or they may have to report it. (Separate thread topic here)
8) How long did the tournament take? You could just figure tipping $X per hour and modify based on the $14 already in the pool.

Tipping tournaments is really tricky IMO especially if you aren't a reg in the room. I would lean towards tipping based on the service, not necessarily the total result ... which is the 'way' opposite of my cash game tipping. GL

I've never heard a dealer tell a player that he can do whatever he wants. Not even a XXXXXXX dealer to a XXXXXXX player.

Sounds to me like you still live for his validation (meh, somewhat maybe), are trying to attract attention on the internet by launching into a touchingesque story directly related to the topic (yes definitely and that’s why we all read your story as fake). It’s true that praise goes a long way and that’s what most of us want deep down is recognition. However those of us destitute grinders who still pay reasonable tips, which still really add up into our minimal hourlies, and who see a dealer variance free making more money per hour than us, than tipping becomes an essential issue to address and be bothered by. Especially when a lot of dealers don’t know the Math yet and act entitled to the tips casual players and chip culture makes easy. Dealers also really do annoying stuff like when they push you a pot, tap the felt with their hand which I hate. It’s so socially pressuring to toss them chips back. Or say “nice hand” which is just a cue for a tip that’s rude to publicly ignore. Or the absolute worst is complaining to other reg, moderately losing players who tip them egregious amounts out of dumb culture.