TLDR: Once you see just how little tournament dealers make, you understand why there is a "forced" tip and also why they really feel the need for the winners to toss in a little extra.
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Originally Posted by Black Aces 518
Ehhh. Standard tourney tip for as long as I remember has been 3%, yeah? Obviously some people tip more, some tip less. Often the mincashers won't tip at all. Agree?
So if every player tips $10 on a $300 tourney, total tips are 3.33% of the prize pool, just slightly better than standard, and that's assuming even the mincashers tip 3%. Easy to say OMG you tipped only $10 on a $5000 win, but 90% of the just field tipped $10 on a $340 loss, and that wouldn't have happened without the addon.
I definitely am not a tip-avoidant person, so let me know where my thoughts or assumptions are off here, as I respect your posts and experience.
I don't disagree with you really. The 3% is generally the number the house will one way or another mandate for the dealers with any winner tips being a bonus. IME the mincashers tip very little if any, but the top few will usually tip, some much better than others obviously.
If you want to see it from the staff's perspective, it goes like this. Dealers are paid per down, so for every 30 minutes they are dealing they get $x. At the end of the tournament the TD tallies up the total tip money and divides that by the total number of dealer downs to get $x. If a dealer dealt 15 downs in the tournament he gets 15x. Simple right. Tournament downs never pay even close to as much as live cash game downs do if there is no extra tips from the winners. That is just the way it is everywhere. (I hate saying that because I've not worked everywhere, but I never hear of the places that give 6%+ to dealers) All I am really saying is that if it weren't for tips from the winners, no current poker dealer would consider keeping their job if they had to only deal tournaments.
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Easy to say OMG you tipped only $10 on a $5000 win, but 90% of the just field tipped $10 on a $340 loss, and that wouldn't have happened without the addon.
To be fair, without the add on, there would be no dealers. Imagine 100 players with no add on and at the end, the winners tip a total of $100. $100 compared to $1,000 they get with the add on. Without a forced tip, there is a real chance that the dealers are working for less than $7/hr. I promise you that they aren't making a whole lot with the forced tip either. As someone that has dealt and seen what these dealers are making, I would probably not tip until I have at least doubled my money. From there my tip would increase with my winnings. Of course I like to see my dealers do well, but I don't have anything against anyone that doesn't tip on tournament wins. Just remember that those players that "tipped" $10 on a $340 loss didn't do it because they wanted to tip the dealer. They did it because they didn't want to be at a disadvantage to every other player that did. I prefer to just give everyone the extra chips, charge an extra $10 from the start, and just give the $10 from every entry to the staff. It really is 6 of one, half dozen of the other.