Nice!

But instead I tip in Bitcoin. No fumbling around for physical artifacts like paper or coins. Bitcoin is always a crowd pleaser!

OK. I get it. I choose to contribute $0.00
Because it is optional. Let the people that tip pay for that.

Giving a TIP is an ego thing. You don't give a tip your ego starts thinking about what others think about you. -''They prolly think i am a cheap bastard.''

Or

You do give a tip and your ego starts thinking: -''You see how good we are. Good boy!''

The bigger the tip the better your ego will feel.

Thing is: #1 Dealers hate players. Why give $ to someone that hates you?
#2 Dealers gossip too much. It is disgusting.

Ask any dealer how they feel about gamblers.

Once one told me: -''We view you guys like dead corpses and we are the guys doing the autopsy''

Any thoughts?

You have some very biased and strong opinions and it seems like you have no intention of hearing anything else. Best of luck to you.

I'd say your #1 is a gross overstatement and generalization. Yeah, there are a lot of players that some dealers do not like. Players that are rude. Players that unnecessarily slow the game down. Players who make dealers' jobs difficult. But to make it a sweeping generalization is not fair IMO and IME.

Just as there are bad players, there are unprofessional dealers. I caddied for many years, and 75% of the time I knew within $10 what I was going to make before I stepped on the 1st tee. But even if I knew I had a weaker loop, I still did my job. Not everyone was or is like that though. I don't think dealing in a casino is much different. You will have dealers that treat everyone the same no matter what, and you will also have dealers that don't give the best service to a flea.

As for the quote your dealer gave you, if that is in fact true, he should be ashamed of himself. That falls under the the category of "think it but don't say it."

Those are not reasons to not tip.

Tips should be for doing a good job like a professional. Do that, I'm not going to sit there and wonder if you are hiding burning hatred for me behind a polite mask.

While I would never say that to a player, considering the fact that you're a stiff I'd say it's a pretty accurate analogy...



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No, they hate you because you're a cheapass. They also hate players who abuse them. They don't hate friendly players who tip within reason.

> Me neither.

OK. My reasons to not tip are the following: #1 It is optional. They are already getting paid a wage if they don't like their job they can quit.
#2 I play poker to make $ tipping can be the difference between making $ or not.
#3 I used to be a tipper believe me. But then i learned about all the gossip so i stopped.
#4 No one tips me. Why should i tip anyone?

OK. Let's say i am the cheapest bastard ever.

So they hate me for being me. Sounds a little bit racist don't you think?

Are you saying that people not liking you because you're a stiff is racist?? LMFAO!! You need help buddy, seriously...

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[Cross-posting from LLHE chat thread but would like another set of eyes on the situation. Thanks]


Female dealer at local casino (only place to play within 100 miles) is horrible. When not flirting (believe me, this is not remotely a plus) with the regulars and general joking around and messing up in numerous instances, she makes remarkably favored decisions toward a certain ethnic group. She has been "retrained" numerous times in the three years I have been going to this casino.

I had a "dead hand" called on me after I showed my neighbor my cards on the turn (he was all-in.) Same situation a down ago and she doesn't kill the hand on someone else.

I drop the FU-dealer and get 86'd for a year.

Do you tip that particular dealer when you return? Ban on tipping to last
[ ] month
[ ] 6 months
[ ] year
[ ] bastard

??

Literally never tipping her again.

It depends on several things. Is the house rule there that if you expose your cards the hand is dead? That's unlikely but some places do that. If it is the rule and you said FU you should apologize to the dealer and tip upon your return.

If it's not the rule, did you release your cards to the dealer to be killed before you insisted that the floor come and fix this incorrect ruling? If not, you're at fault for that as the floor would have fixed it and there would have been no harm-no foul and no reason for you to say FU. Dealers make mistakes sometimes, but don't have the authority to kill a hand without floor approval. So if that's the case you should apologize to the dealer and tip upon return.

Did you say FU immediately before you attempted any effort to get a floor ruling? If so you should apologize and tip upon return.

Did the floor come and back up the dealer even though it isn't actually the house rule? If that's the case, you should have said FU to both the floor and the dealer, and should never return to that card room as long as that floor and dealer are working there. That also eliminates the tipping problem altogether. Why would you want to play at such a poorly run room?

If you gave a little more detail on how you ended up allowing a dealer to kill your hand for something that in most places never kills a hand, it would be helpful to narrow down the possibilities.

Biggest reason that I'm never tipping again is the obvious favoritism from the dealer and lack of desire to get better as I'm trusting that you're recounting the past history correctly.

If history isn't correct then it's all up for grabs.

Spew, which room is this so I can stay far, far away from it? Selective enforcement of rules with money on the line is insane.

I'd never tip that dealer again. I'd start tipping her again if, upon my return, she apologized to me and she had completely changed how she conducted business. But fat chance that's ever happening.

The rest of your post is a bit suspect, but I agree with the above.

I also agree with this. I would appreciate knowing exactly what happened down to the timing of everything and the exact words used by everyone in the situation.

tipping her again? i would never tip a dealer who makes rules based on anything but merit to begin with.

Tip the dealer on the next table over every time you win a pot as she’s dealing.

To me tips are an interesting example of a collective action problem. In fact, they're a collective action problem cooked up out of thin air in an area (compensation to labor) where markets are conventionally prevalent.

There are a lot of collective action problems in our world, and they're pretty essential to making good policy. (This is why I'm not a Libertarian any more--no desire to hijack to politics, just pointing out the ramifications.)

If anyone else finds this theoretical area interesting, I'd love to discuss it more.

I'm certainly not proud of my reaction. And I apologized to the floor (#2) immediately. But......well, kinda wanted to see what everyone else would do in this situation and my scheduled return is less than 3 months from today. Of importance (again)....it is the only poker casino within 100 miles and I am not fond of traveling just for gambling.

just curious-- is the room rule that if you show your hand to someone it's dead, or is the rule just that you are not supposed to show your hand, but you just get endless warnings about not doing it? I've played in rooms where they will tell you not to do it, and may even ask you to leave for the night if you keep doing it after the warnings. But I've never played where it actually kills your hand.

I'd only heard of a room having that dead hand rule in a few posts from people playing in England. But that's about it.

Rather than a "suspect post", I prefer to refer to it as a "post of interest. ".

dead.....I think I was clear that this is rarely enforced.

I wouldn't be tipping an incompetent dealer who displays overt favouritism. Being bad at your job and also a bad person is a no-no in my book. She would already be on zero tips for life.

Getting banned for dropping the f-bomb would make no difference to my stance. I would consider that a self control failure so it's really on me. I have said and done stupid things in anger so don't take that as a lecture BTW.

LOL, expert level trolling.

"Well gotta tip someone...hmm what's most convenient? Yep guess I'll stroll over there..."