Kamuz,


You use the foreigner thing as a flimsy excuse for free-riding on all the people who follow the social contract/convention. You’re fully aware that it’s no longer a true “tip” and in many situations is that in name only. Because of that, you do tip when there are actual ramifications to you, because in reality you do understand the true nature of tipping in these situations.


As I point out above, it’s clear that you understand exactly what you’re supposed to do, but simply come up with a rationalization for giving yourself a discount when you can get away with it. I have no real problem with you choosing to be a cheapskate, but it’s silly for you to pretend like you’re not, regardless of how justified you feel in being a cheapskate.

Some people just Kant see that.

i wrote alot lately about tipping, i recently got a bad beat jackpot for $1335, where in most cardrooms it wouldve been bigger sized. the loser got $4400 however and walked out of the bar without paying a single dealer a dime, which didnt feel right to me. i gave $75, and its money ill need to live on as hard as it is for me to survive and cover huge motel costs to live every month. im sure this winner had a lot of things i didnt have, like a car, a place to live, a job, or whatever but he still didnt give a dime, and i couldnt afford to make up for what he didnt give, and though one regular thought everyone should always give 10% no matter what, which is insanely high, when most dealers dont have the financial struggle i do. so the one to ***** at is the guy who gave nothing not me. i think most dealers were satisfied.

in fact i know the dealers werent mad at $75 because they said as i left 5 hours later they were happy for me for winning

Best post in the thread!

I mean i was probably more on the pissed off side considering how she made it sound like it was expected of me to tip because i was winning. Had i been stuck she probably wouldn't even mention a word. So in a way its implied that i am tipping because i am 'up' and not because for her service, like 99% of all posts here are about.

Obviously she was more polite than i am considering that her chances of getting tipped had she been polite would have been increased few folds rather than if she had been snappy about it. And again, i didn't come here to talk about what happened, but rather about the tipping system in the US, just like the thread is named.

I'm sure it has never dawned on you that not everyone in the casino is a degenerate, and that that the casino is not a 'necessity' where one will not survive without it.

Maybe it will start making the casinos in the US think why their revenues are constantly dropping. Stop being so greedy with all the schemes to increase profit margin. Like no single zero roulette tables unless u play a certain minimum, cutting comps left and right, charging for drinks unless u play in VIP etc. As well as to start treating the people who work for you better. I can't even keep track of the number of blackjack dealers i had whining about the pay and management treatment above them.

First step in solving anything is to realize there is a problem.

Like i said, I have tipped green chips before to poker dealers who keep their own tips, so i don't think i qualify as a cheapskate. Nothing about principle here, just EV and bottom-line. Biggest problem are pooling tips like i said, because there is a decent % of dealers in all casinos that do not deserve a single cent of your money.

I wouldn't complain about her as I do not want her to lose her job. What do i gain from her getting fired? In fact, I want her to do well too. But my point is it's not my job to put food on her table, it's her employers. Time and again this is my point, but it seems like everyone thinks for some reason my argument is against the dealers.

I'm pretty sure a sizable % of US citizens tip only when there are actual ramifications to them.

This is laughable, by not tipping at the roulette table makes u a cheapskate because you are trying to give yourself a discount since you can get away with not tipping. I play double zero roulette in the USA because of friends. I am also trying to get lucky which obviously I will fail more often than not. I didn't spend my time at the table to be charity. If i wanted to i would have made better use of that money by donating to charity that help millions of people in Africa and Asia that live in poverty. Christ. Enough is enough.

Actually I think it's more that you come across as a general d-bag.

And if you play roulette, you are by definition a degenerate gambler. But don't worry, you have good company.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gambler_(novel)

Kamuz,


The problem with this argument is that you accept that it is partially your job to compensate servers at restaurants, and tip accordingly. Yet you don’t accept the same type of convention when it comes to dealers. It’s that inconsistency that makes me question the intellectual honesty of your position, that’s all.

Kamuz,

I doubt it’s all that high. This is basically anyone who goes to a restaurant they’re unlikely to visit again. I bet the vast vast majority of people in that situation still tip. That information is probably available if anyone cares to search for it, as there have been lots of studies done on tipping.




Of course not tipping in situations where tipping is part of the accepted convention is being a cheapskate. You obviously are fully aware of that fact.

I agree i'm not a big Kantian fan. Most of you are pissed because everyone is tipping in casinos and when there are outliers they are immediately labelled as 'cheapskates', 'thieves', 'free-loaders'. There's a term for this in mandarin, directly translated it means monkey see monkey do, basically just means conforming. I just don't conform unless it makes sense to.

Like the pun btw, 5 stars for it sir.

what.

Loved the movie, not sure if it's linked to the novel though.

Maybe it's the psychological toll of gambling. It's already so hard to win at the casino other than poker and blackjack. It's just a place that has so much more predatory behavior. Casinos are there to make money but no customer wants to lose, albeit he or she does more often than not.

It just doesn't make much sense to give more EV away in a place where i have already given tons of EV to. That's all.

Which i do too. More often than not the minimum which is 13% or something iirc? I only tip more if it's a super good/friendy waiter or a super cute waitress . Too bad, that's how the world works.




Ok... but i am not tipping because of other reasons, not because i am/want to be a cheapskate...
I tip servers in casinos all the time, and when i am drunk i tip more again if she is super cute/hot. It's just the logic behind tipping, not the convention or whatever you guys call it that i am arguing about.

It's extremely loosely based on the book.

This is exactly where you have it wrong. As a patron, in North American culture, it is exactly your job to augment her wages by tipping her. We can argue whether tipping is good or bad, or we can debate the advantages and disadvantages of tipping cultures (ie North America) versus non-tipping cultures (ie much of Asia,) but it does not change the fact that in the venue you were gambling in, tipping the dealer is expected and if you fail to do so you will be rightfully branded a deadbeat.

LOL at the person who is "not a cheapskate" posting that he tips 13% at restaurants.

kamuz,

For a person who said he was done with this argument, you sure don't seem done with this argument.

You beat me with this post. I have nothing to say.

Well I guess i shall not play table games anymore in US casinos from now on. It's probably better for me in the long run anyway. Since I am pretty sure more often than not I am not tipping, which according to you is my job and expected of me to.

That's not the norm? I'm not sure but that's what i recalled the norm was. And obviously posters like you on 2p2 are an abundance who just post things like that that have no meaning or value.

Yeah i thought i was till i read the replies and the urge of posting again came back

No it isn't the norm. If only there was some sort of resource you could go to, like the one you used to post your dozen+ posts on the topic, to find out what the actual norm is.

It's been almost 11 months since my last trip to the US so I apologize for not remembering what the right % of the actual norm for tipping is in your country. But keep berating people who actually bring money to your country and spend them for these tiny inaccuracies. It will do you a lot of good in the long run.