Who here said we expected "Rolls Royce Service"? I'd rather have the Kia service with the Kia price.

The funny thing is my wife and I both drive Kias! I'm totally fine with Kia service at Kia prices.

its not only you who feels this way but mostly all of the winning grinders on a low hourly wage. the ONLY reason BBJs still exist is because of the losing players who feel its their ONLY chance of a big score. the losing fish are who love the jackpots, and of course also the $2-4 limit players.

Pointing out your lack of logic and massive entitlement issues is the not the same thing as being unhappy. Funny how when you criticise people that's just fine and dandy but when it happens to you everyone is a big meanie, seems somewhat...entitled.

Pretty much.

So you have your idea on how much a dealer should make an hour. Who made you boss and if you are allowed to have your idea then why is it a problem when someone else wants their idea. That's the entitlement part. You try to push your views on everyone else but they are supposed to allow you to have your views.

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Yeah, you're allowed your opinions, but your opinions aren't sacred and other people are allowed to point out when you're wrong. Seems like you want to run your mouth but cry foul when people disagree.

You just contradicted yourself I'm allowed to my opinions yet you say other people point out when they're wrong I'm not allowed my opinion if you are saying my opinion is wrong.
So you went as far as to contradict yourself to justify your view. I can't beat that. You can argue with yourself from now on. You guys are so miserable lol.

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Go ahead and quote me stating that you are not allowed your opinion. No point in you lying when everyone can see your lies, liar.

The first sentence is a complete contradiction. You say I'm allowed my opinion but people can tell me I'm wrong. Then I'm not allowed to my opinion. Like i said i can't debate anything if you will go to these lengths to win. I'm good I'm done. You are the worst debater. You beat yourself and cant even see it. You guys keep ranting in here amongst yourselves trying to figure out if you don't tip here or there you might be a winning player. Lmao you guys play games you can't beat the rake and you worried about tips. How intelligent is that. I'll leave you guys to your misery.

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Yeah, that was quite a show in this thread the last couple of days...

I was on a high limit table yesterday and most of the players there were regulars and are pretty decent tippers. Some of them will limit their tip size to 1 or 2 dollars regardless of how big the pot is, but they'll also tip you for small pots and they don't waste much time goofing off, so if you deal with a little bit of pace you can usually make out pretty well in a down.

One of the players was an unknown and he was playing every single hand. I mean he never folded once, preflop, the entire time I was there. And he was plenty willing to play absolute garbage. Calling 3 bets, preflop, out of position, with hands like J 3 offsuit. And he won over half of the hands I dealt. And he never tipped a single dollar.

I know these things even out over time. I know it's his money to give to me or not, at his discretion. I know that sometimes there's a whale at the table willing to tip $25 for a hand in which he won $150. I get it.

I'm just saying that when you're in the moment, and you keep giving the one stiff at the table pot after pot... well it gets old.

I'll ask you then, since the other guy wouldn't field the question. If you're dealing a $400/$800 fixed limit game, what do you think is the appropriate tip on a $20K pot? What about on an $8K pot? Do you or do you not agree that pot size is irrelevant?

Philosophically, I agree that pot size is irrelevant. However, the reality is that many players don't tip when there's no flop. They don't tip on small pots. They don't tip on chopped pots. And they don't tip when they won a side pot buy not the main pot, even if they made a profit on the hand.

This is made up for by the fact that they tip more than average on bigger pots. If you don't tip me on the small pots and then tip bigger on big pots, it balances. And if you tip a dollar on every hamd, even when you're just stealing the blinds, then that balances too.

That all said, I'm not going to touch what an "appropriate" tip is for any sized pot. I don't play limit poker. I play 1-2 or 2-5 no limit. When I win a pot that's equal to 20 big blinds I tip 1 or 2 dollars. When the pot is 50 big blinds I tip 2 or 3 dollars. And if I'm on a hot streak or if I happen to like the dealer I tip more.

So if I'm dealing the game you discuss and I get a 1 dollar tip I'm not going to blink or think evil thoughts. And if I get a 25 dollar tip I'm also not going to blink.

Here's how I see it - most hands we get $1 and if we got that every hand we'd be doing well. The problem is we're never going to be tipped every hand because nobody calls or the game is super nitty, there are non-tippers at the table, it's late and games keep breaking down, etc. Also, some games just run slower by their nature like Big O. No way am I going to get in as many hands of that as I will of 1-2NL.

We hope that you can bump up your normal number once in a while to make up for those times. Most players choose to do it on large pots or ones where they sucked out on someone. What is a large pot to you is not the same as it is for someone else - if you're playing 1-2 then $200 might be a big pot, at $400-800 $8k is not.

Other players do it with dealers who greet them by name and talk sports with them, or the dealers who are fast or attractive or whatever. As long as you're tipping consistently and sometimes throwing in a little more for whatever reason I'm happy.

The only time absolute pot size really comes into play is when it helps emphasize some story we're telling in the breakroom bitching about being stiffed or bragging about a big tip.

You are allowed to state your wrong opinion and other people are allowed to state that your wrong opinion is wrong. What part of this incredibly simple concept are you struggling to understand?

Entertaining thread for the past few days. A 5-year member has now increased his posts by 10% in a very short period of time!

In order for there to be a right and wrong there needs to be a standard. There is no standard when it comes to tipping which makes this thread perpetuate through cycles like 'this one'.

Definition of opinion - a view or judgement formed about something, not
necessarily based on fact or knowledge, a statement of advice

I tell people all the time that the best way to learn about/verify your own position is to study the opposing position and know more about it than 'they' do.

Dealers can develop an entitled position on tipping since the majority (I believe) of players do tip in some form or another and (by industry practice) a significant portion of their income can be generated via the tip, therefore it can become personal. Without a standard, there can only be opinions on what a Dealer may feel a player should do and vice versa. There is no right or wrong.

A Dealer may feel slighted or 'wronged' if a player doesn't share any 'extra' when an unusual event occurs (large pot/HHand/Jackpot). But that is only an opinion, possibly even wishful thinking, of a system that has no standard but perhaps an average AND a medium of which an opinion can be formed.

I've scattered my opinions throughout this thread, but my main point here is that unless you are trying to state a 'fact', that has a standard to back it up, there is no right or wrong and using those types of terms can derail a lively discussion in a hurry.

We can (and do) disagree. We can (and do) occasionally give bad advice. We can (and do) base some of our opinions on limited or inaccurate information. So in an effort to, hopefully, not contradict myself ... An opinion can't be 'wrong' but the basis of an opinion may be using bad/wrong/inaccurate/conflicting information.

As I stated, one of the main reasons I peruse these threads is to try and get a better understanding of the whole picture (both sides) so I can better form my own opinions. GL

If I tip $2 on a $1000 pot, then does it stand to reason that I should tip $20 on a $10,000 jackpot?

You don't have to use logic or reason for tipping. Tip whatever you feel. No matter what you choose, someone here will figure out a way to disagree with it and/or complain about it.

All the disparaging of tips around here has made me decide that if I ever hit a jackpot I won't tip anything. Any amount I feel is fair will be looked at as cheap anyway, so I might as well skip it and hope people think that I forgot in all the excitement. Since I'm normally a decent tipper it seems like they would be a reasonable assumption, and I have to think it has happened before.

Only if you want to. Was paying out the $10k jackpot 10x as much work as paying out the $1k jackpot?

There's an awful lot of obsessing over jackpots in this thread. I've been on 2P2 for nearly 6 years and I've probably dealt over 250,000 hands in that time without dealing a single jackpot. I've probably averaged around between 1 and 2 high hand bonuses per week in that time (paid out either every 30 or 60 minutes where the winning player received anywhere between $200 and $1000).

Instead of worrying about how much you will or won't tip when you hit that lottery ticket that is the bbj, why not just focus on playing winning poker and throwing the dealer a buck or two when you win a pot? You guys are prematurely getting angry at a hypothetical dealer who probably doesn't visit 2p2 for dealing you a huge hypothetical jackpot that you're probably never going to be a part of.

Watched a young kid run $300 into $4k+ in 2.5 hours last night, tipping greens on all big pots, giving dealer all his whites plus a few more reds when racking up, then leaving another 300(via 12 greens) for dealer pool after cashing out.

Thought this thread would enjoy that.

For some people poker is a job.

it's not that really - i see tipping as a cost of doing business, a couple bucks an hour off my win rate.

but it's what people think stiffing is. if someone thinks throwing them a couple hundred bucks for dealing a huge jackpot is stiffing then i'd rather just keep the money they don't appreciate anyway.

if i'm playing plo and the dealer gets the pot wrong every single hand and i have to constantly correct them they don't deserve my money. stiffing would be if they do their job properly and i give them nothing - same as a bartender. if the bartender keeps ****ing up my drink i won't tip him. but way more dealers are bad at their jobs than bartenders.