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Old 01-06-2018, 08:42 AM   #7351
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Agreed, I’m curious what you think is a fireable offense if not this. Like how far off is your line.
This question wasn't directed at me, but it's a good question.

An incomplete list of a fireable offense is going to be:

1. Intentional theft from the casino, coworkers, or players.
2. Intentionally cheating the game (dealing from the bottom of the deck, flashing cards to a player, etc).

Actually the first 2 are likely fireable and also merit pressing charges.

3. Insubordination. Refusing to go to an assigned table. Telling off a supervisor. Arguing with a floor person while on the casino floor in a public space (around customers).

4. Fighting.

5. Cussing out a player or coworker, or insulting a customer while at a table or on the casino floor. (Obviously this is a judgment call and depends on the circumstances. If a dealer is taking a friendly jab at a known customer then insulting a player doesn't necessarily require any discipline at all.)

6. No call no show (some businesses will allow multiple instances of this before termination).

7. Deliberately leaving a table unattended when it has cards, cash, or chips on it.

8. Coming to work drunk or high or using drugs or alcohol while at work.

9. Engaging in sexual conduct with a customer or coworker on company property while on the clock (or probably while off the clock too).

That's all I can think of at the top of my head for fireable offenses in terms of one strike and you're out. I'm sure I've missed plenty of other examples for the list.

Hustling for tips in the manner described in the OP is going to be a disciplinary warning and I'm sending the dealer home for the night and probably giving him 2 days to a week off to think about whether this job is for him.

If it's a second offense, he's fired.
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Old 01-06-2018, 12:46 PM   #7352
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Lol @ that list. You forgot #10: doing a ****ty job.

Intentionally giving ****ty service isn't just hustling for tips. It's being a ****ty dealer. Hustling for tips is verbal.
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Old 01-06-2018, 02:13 PM   #7353
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Lol @ that list. You forgot #10: doing a ****ty job.

Intentionally giving ****ty service isn't just hustling for tips. It's being a ****ty dealer. Hustling for tips is verbal.
Frankly, dealers don't get fired for that. It's on us as tippers to withhold tips from ****ty dealers to drive them out via decreasing their bottom line. Save those tips for the good dealers if you feel bad about not automatically tipping every time you win a pot.
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Old 01-06-2018, 02:32 PM   #7354
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Lol @ that list. You forgot #10: doing a ****ty job.
That has never been a fireable offense anywhere I've worked. It takes prolonged periods of that followed by the right players complaining to the right supervisor. That, or sufficient writeups for specific things that room cares about like not collecting rake, letting a player sit in the wrong tournament seat, letting their rack be off, premature cards.
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Old 01-07-2018, 03:12 PM   #7355
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How did I defend the dealer? I said both were bad. I was trying to provide context and make an observation about how talking about something was considered worse than actually doing it.
Your first paragraph, which I am sure you did include for context, could be seen as an attempt at justification. But it doesn't matter if he had not seen a tip in 50 downs over the last couple of weeks, it is no reason to slow down or threaten to. It is a reason to look at his performance as a dealer for the why.

Btw the reason talking about it is worse than just doing it is two fold. First it ensures everyone is aware and aware it is intentional. Second it is a not so subtle attempt to extort the patrons.
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Old 01-19-2018, 10:14 AM   #7356
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Re: Tipping CONTAINMENT thread.

$1M BBJ hit in Detroit Tuesday night, 2-5 RxR 6-handed ... $400K, $200K, 4x$100K

Word is the Dealer got around $12K .. GL


PS .. Long 14 month journey for that jackpot .. reset was $500K .. Q v Q
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Old 01-19-2018, 12:50 PM   #7357
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$1M BBJ hit in Detroit Tuesday night, 2-5 RxR 6-handed ... $400K, $200K, 4x$100K

Word is the Dealer got around $12K .. GL


PS .. Long 14 month journey for that jackpot .. reset was $500K .. Q v Q
$12,000 tip feels like way too much, im sure a better idea wouldve been to spread $20 each to all the dealers who werent part of it and give him $2000 less. he made out like a bandit as it was. it was the players own money, it wasnt a win.
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Old 01-19-2018, 01:32 PM   #7358
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Re: Tipping CONTAINMENT thread.

We can continue to debate ad nauseum on this thread about BBJs and tipping. This one is a little more than 1% if reports are accurate (although the Facebook Dealers' Lounge I think said 15k) which isn't insanely out of hand by any stretch. Also, if the dealers pool tips (no idea in Michigan) then giving smaller amounts to the other dealers is unnecessary.
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Old 01-19-2018, 03:25 PM   #7359
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We can continue to debate ad nauseum on this thread about BBJs and tipping. This one is a little more than 1% if reports are accurate (although the Facebook Dealers' Lounge I think said 15k) which isn't insanely out of hand by any stretch. Also, if the dealers pool tips (no idea in Michigan) then giving smaller amounts to the other dealers is unnecessary.
The out-of-hand part is judging a tip's worthiness by its percentage.

Also, if the dealers don't pool tips, then the dealer should chop it with all the dealers. The other dealers are just as responsible for the jackpot than the one who dealt it.
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Old 01-19-2018, 03:29 PM   #7360
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Re: Tipping CONTAINMENT thread.

If I buy a round of drinks for a table, is it assumed I am covering the tip?
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Old 01-19-2018, 05:23 PM   #7361
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$12,000 tip feels like way too much, im sure a better idea wouldve been to spread $20 each to all the dealers who werent part of it and give him $2000 less. he made out like a bandit as it was. it was the players own money, it wasnt a win.
He got $12k total from 6 players
Pre tax:
$427,452
$213,712
$106,856 x4

Also they don't pool tips and the dealer was a very good one. IMO $12k total is insulting.

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Old 01-19-2018, 05:32 PM   #7362
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IMO $12k total is insulting.
Insulting that he got $12K for doing nothing out of the ordinary? Wow...
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Old 01-19-2018, 06:30 PM   #7363
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He got $12k total from 6 players
Pre tax:
$427,452
$213,712
$106,856 x4

Also they don't pool tips and the dealer was a very good one. IMO $12k total is insulting.

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I'd bet the dealer didn't think a 10-33% boost in his annual salary in one day was insulting.

People need to worry less about what other people tip. Who cares?
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Old 01-19-2018, 07:05 PM   #7364
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Re: Tipping CONTAINMENT thread.

Guy with the winning hand is a table Games dealer.
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Old 01-19-2018, 07:23 PM   #7365
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The out-of-hand part is judging a tip's worthiness by its percentage.

Also, if the dealers don't pool tips, then the dealer should chop it with all the dealers. The other dealers are just as responsible for the jackpot than the one who dealt it.

I'm going to stay out of the discussion of whether $12K is too much, not enough, or just right. Frankly, this discussion is old, even if it's appropriate for this message board. I haven't seen a new opinion shared about BBJ tipping in the last 5 or more years in this thread.

What I will comment on is the notion that the "winning" dealer should share his tips with the rest of the staff.

As a dealer, this is absolutely ludicrous and would never ever happen at any room I've ever worked in or played in. I did work in a room that had a large royal flush jackpot that would approach 6 figures if it hadn't been hit in a while. We had a player win it and give far less than the "normal" tip amount to the dealer who'd dealt the royal. And he gave $25 tips to every other dealer in the room. When word got out in the break room about how much he'd given to the dealer who'd actually dealt the hand, 75-80% of the dealers (myself included) voluntarily gave the $25 tip they'd received back to the dealer who was actually on the table.

I've seen dealers get $0 on large jackpots, I've seen them get 1 or 2 percent, and I've seen dealers get greater than 15 percent. And I've never encountered an instance in which the other dealers had hard feelings because another dealer was tipped "too well" or in which other dealers thought that they were "just as entitled to a tip as the dealer who actually dealt the hand."

I'm not suggesting that the dealer used any extra skill to make that combination of cards appear on the table. I agree that it was nothing more than good luck and good timing. But just like the player who got beat with 4 of a kind gets to keep the lion's share of the jackpot just for being in the right seat at the right time, so too does the dealer get to keep the entire tip just for being in the right seat at the right time.
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Old 01-19-2018, 07:53 PM   #7366
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I'm going to stay out of the discussion of whether $12K is too much, not enough, or just right. Frankly, this discussion is old, even if it's appropriate for this message board. I haven't seen a new opinion shared about BBJ tipping in the last 5 or more years in this thread.

What I will comment on is the notion that the "winning" dealer should share his tips with the rest of the staff.

As a dealer, this is absolutely ludicrous and would never ever happen at any room I've ever worked in or played in. I did work in a room that had a large royal flush jackpot that would approach 6 figures if it hadn't been hit in a while. We had a player win it and give far less than the "normal" tip amount to the dealer who'd dealt the royal. And he gave $25 tips to every other dealer in the room. When word got out in the break room about how much he'd given to the dealer who'd actually dealt the hand, 75-80% of the dealers (myself included) voluntarily gave the $25 tip they'd received back to the dealer who was actually on the table.

I've seen dealers get $0 on large jackpots, I've seen them get 1 or 2 percent, and I've seen dealers get greater than 15 percent. And I've never encountered an instance in which the other dealers had hard feelings because another dealer was tipped "too well" or in which other dealers thought that they were "just as entitled to a tip as the dealer who actually dealt the hand."

I'm not suggesting that the dealer used any extra skill to make that combination of cards appear on the table. I agree that it was nothing more than good luck and good timing. But just like the player who got beat with 4 of a kind gets to keep the lion's share of the jackpot just for being in the right seat at the right time, so too does the dealer get to keep the entire tip just for being in the right seat at the right time.
Bro, it's no less silly than tipping 5-figs just because a player won a casino jackpot.

It's interesting, though, how dealers are heavy on a player "sharing the joy" (as you have put it in the past) with the dealer by tipping lavishly on windfalls, but then that dealer shouldn't "share the joy" with his fellow dealers when he or she encounters a windfall given by a player.
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Old 01-19-2018, 08:57 PM   #7367
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Sounds to me like that player had the right instinct to try to help out every dealer in the room. But then most of them probably turned it around and thought less of him because he didn't give "enough" to the actual guy who dealt the hand. Seems like you can't even be a good guy without people thinking poorly of you.
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Old 01-20-2018, 12:58 AM   #7368
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It's interesting, though, how dealers are heavy on a player "sharing the joy" (as you have put it in the past) with the dealer by tipping lavishly on windfalls, but then that dealer shouldn't "share the joy" with his fellow dealers when he or she encounters a windfall given by a player.
If I ever get a monster tip for dealing a promo jackpot, I'll be sure to share the joy with my coworkers. Drinks are on me after our shift ends.
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Old 01-20-2018, 04:19 PM   #7369
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He got $12k total from 6 players
Pre tax:
$427,452
$213,712
$106,856 x4

Also they don't pool tips and the dealer was a very good one. IMO $12k total is insulting.

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And your opinion is worse than insulting.

Let players tip as theyn want. Anything given should be appreciated. Nothing at all was owed him.
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Old 01-22-2018, 06:20 AM   #7370
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If you're going to split tips for large promotions then an agreement should be made prior with all the dealers. Absent of that, I'd absolutely keep it, otherwise you might be getting hardcore free-rolled.
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Old 01-23-2018, 03:21 PM   #7371
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I'm going to stay out of the discussion of whether $12K is too much, not enough, or just right. Frankly, this discussion is old, even if it's appropriate for this message board. I haven't seen a new opinion shared about BBJ tipping in the last 5 or more years in this thread.

What I will comment on is the notion that the "winning" dealer should share his tips with the rest of the staff.

As a dealer, this is absolutely ludicrous and would never ever happen at any room I've ever worked in or played in. I did work in a room that had a large royal flush jackpot that would approach 6 figures if it hadn't been hit in a while. We had a player win it and give far less than the "normal" tip amount to the dealer who'd dealt the royal. And he gave $25 tips to every other dealer in the room. When word got out in the break room about how much he'd given to the dealer who'd actually dealt the hand, 75-80% of the dealers (myself included) voluntarily gave the $25 tip they'd received back to the dealer who was actually on the table.

I've seen dealers get $0 on large jackpots, I've seen them get 1 or 2 percent, and I've seen dealers get greater than 15 percent. And I've never encountered an instance in which the other dealers had hard feelings because another dealer was tipped "too well" or in which other dealers thought that they were "just as entitled to a tip as the dealer who actually dealt the hand."

I'm not suggesting that the dealer used any extra skill to make that combination of cards appear on the table. I agree that it was nothing more than good luck and good timing. But just like the player who got beat with 4 of a kind gets to keep the lion's share of the jackpot just for being in the right seat at the right time, so too does the dealer get to keep the entire tip just for being in the right seat at the right time.
that's bc 75-80 pct of dealers are entitled ungrateful scumbags when they deal a jackpot

you might think you were being nice by giving that 25 dollars to the other dealer but really all you were saying is when i'm lucky enough to deal a huge jackpot funded by the players i'm entitled to a huge cut as well.
what a joke. a player could throw a dealer 500 or 1000 dollars on a huge jackpot to some terrible dealer for no actual work and 75-80 pct of dealers would ***** about it. i rarely play nl anymore but if i hit a big jackpot unless it's someone who is actually a great dealer they'll be lucky to get 100 bucks from me and i'll donate a few thousand to charity.

wow what a shock no dealer ever thought another dealer was tipped too well. that's a good one. of course they don't think someone else was tipped too well. they think they deserve 15 pct as well if they deal a jackpot.
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Old 01-23-2018, 03:26 PM   #7372
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lmao@ 12k being insulting.
it's a perfect reason why 12 is way too generous.
someone gives basically a stranger 12000 dollars which is like 3 months of their salary for doing no actual work and a lot of dealers wouldn't be happy with that. what an absolute disgrace.

there are so many incompetent dealers who think there job is to pay no attention to the game do a bad job of dealing oh and if you get lucky you owe me thousands of dollars on top of it. no shot in hell i'd give any dealer 12k for anything. think how long and hard a waitress would have to work for that 12k in tips oh but you happened to put out the queen so here's 30k for nothing? good one.
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Old 01-23-2018, 03:38 PM   #7373
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lmao@ 12k being insulting.
it's a perfect reason why 12 is way too generous.
someone gives basically a stranger 12000 dollars which is like 3 months of their salary for doing no actual work and a lot of dealers wouldn't be happy with that. what an absolute disgrace.

there are so many incompetent dealers who think there job is to pay no attention to the game do a bad job of dealing oh and if you get lucky you owe me thousands of dollars on top of it. no shot in hell i'd give any dealer 12k for anything. think how long and hard a waitress would have to work for that 12k in tips oh but you happened to put out the queen so here's 30k for nothing? good one.
If I'm at a restaurant and my waitress informs me that I'm getting a 6 figure cash prize because I'm the one millionth customer to order a ham sandwich... well that waitress is gonna get a hefty tip from me.
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If I ever get a monster tip for dealing a promo jackpot, I'll be sure to share the joy with my coworkers. Drinks are on me after our shift ends.
What do you think about if the guy tipped the dealer a $200 bottle of scotch rather than $12K?
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If I'm at a restaurant and my waitress informs me that I'm getting a 6 figure cash prize because I'm the one millionth customer to order a ham sandwich... well that waitress is gonna get a hefty tip from me.
$12K?
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