How can we be as woke as you.

Ah yes, there are only two options. Yours is a very honest attempt at discourse, and your points should be taken seriously.

Florida pari-mutuels (dog/horse racing & jai alai) also have poker rooms statewide.

Rooms in Miami-Dade & Broward are allowed to have slot machines in addition to poker.

Here are the poker revenues, statewide. http://www.myfloridalicense.com/dbpr...m2017-2018.pdf

Here are slot revenues in Miami-Dade & Broward. http://www.myfloridalicense.com/dbpr...s2017-2018.pdf

Gulfstream Park, which has approximately 20 poker tables, and which generally runs at about 50% capacity for poker, did about $360,000 in gross revenue (including tournaments) for the month of July.

Gulfstream Park also did $3.8 million in slot revenue for the month.

This is consistent across all of the rooms in Florida that have both poker & slots. They generate about 10 times more revenue from slots than from poker.

And this doesn't include blackjack or other table games, which pari-mutuels are not allowed to offer in Florida.

This is why poker rooms all over the country are closing or downsizing.

That was the absolute minimum. I'd still be happy with a $1 on a $40 pot.

I was just talking about the minimum. At least, that's how I would tip.

If you expect a buck when a dude made 6 bucks and would still be happy with a buck on $40, then at what pot size would you not be satisfied with only a buck? Say, for example, a limit game where you pushed the winner 30 bets, what tip do you expect in a 3/6 chip game each played with white ($180), red ($900), green ($4500) and black ($18K)?

I'm content with a buck on any sized pot.

I was saying I'm thrilled when I get more. I think what we dealers aim for is consistency. If I get more, yay all the better. If i get a buck, I'm happy.

If I get stiffed, then that stinks.

Obviously something like winning just the blinds i don't expect anything, even though I personally still tip on any sized pot, being a dealer and all.


Just imagine for a second if we got tipped based on size of the pot, similar to how servers/waiters get tipped. Of course, this could never work long term but imagine if that was the case. 20% on every pot.

All I'm wishing for is a buck a hand. Which averages out now anyway between the guys tipping big and the guys stiffing.

I just wonder what goes through someone's mind when they tip the waitress $2 for a bottle of 8oz water but don't tip the dealer anything on a $120 pot in 1/3 no limit.

I'm all for eliminating tipping and making a solid base pay like $30 an hour. That would be awesome in my mind. Any thoughts on that?

Come on... the part I put in bold is obviously not true otherwise you wouldn't have made a 5000 word post on tipping if you're content with a buck a hand, on average, and are already getting it. Do you deal any games where real money is passed back and forth? No offense, but you don't come across as the kind of guy that would be content with a buck tip after pushing 4 or 5-figure pots on the reg.

No I don't deal any super high limit games at the moment. Used to deal mid-high limit in underground/private games.

And yes I'm averaging decently, but I just think this whole tipping situation should be made more aware of by the players. I want their input on it. What makes them want to tip? What makes them not want to? What do they think is deserving of a tip? These are the questions we need answered so we dealers can do better.

That's a good question though about big pots. Pushing 5 and 6 figure pots would make me think. What would get me is tanking every hand for 5 mins, disallowing me to get in more hands. Tanking for a while and then tipping a buck is ultimately costing me time and money. And that would make me want to not deal high limit, essentially putting a cap on your earnings.

Yes, I wrote a Long post. When you get a table of profit-grinders, it can be pretty bad when no one is tipping and everyone is stiffing. It doesn't happen too often but it does.

I was definitely talking about low limit games when it comes to a buck a hand.

When I dealt 25/50 in a private game, the tips were insanely good AND I got taxed with no complaints. Like I said earlier, I'm new to casino life. Guess I gotta get used to it.

I've found that making friends with the players really helps. Guess I gotta do that more and be more friendly where the table permits. The dealers at my room who make the most are the ones who know everybody.

And really, in low limit games a buck a hand is nice. It's like giving a bartender a buck or two a drink. Some drinks take more effort to make, a beer is something you just gotta grab. All in all, a buck is nice and something I think everyone could afford, otherwise maybe there's another issue here.

So? You were not asked about a $40 pot. You were not asked what you hope to average.

You were asked how much of a $6 profit you expect to receive, and you said you expect to receive one-sixth of it. And that was after you said "I'm not saying we're entitled to anything".

Okay maybe I made a mistake but what was said was the MINIMUM.


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No, he was never asked that question. What he did say was that he'd like to get $1 from a $12 pot. Then it was assumed that it must be a heads-up pot and that he was feeling entitled to 1/6 of the winner's profit.

And if it makes you feel better, let's go ahead and assume that the same player just won a 6-way $360 pot and tipped $1 on the previous hand. So now he's made a profit of $306 and tipped $2 in two hands. Does that make the dealer less greedy for hoping to get $1 per hand that goes to a flop?

You just said in your previous post that all you wish for is a buck a hand. You then said that you are averaging a buck a hand when all is said and done. Again, what's the issue if your wishes are being met?


I'm curious why you would you leave a game with insanely good tips to deal 2/4 limit in the worst town to deal poker?

the vast majority of dealers i've had don't deserve anywhere near 30 an hour,although some do.

i wish more people tipped based on how good the dealer is but that's never going to happen.

lol I suppose there are a few ways to construct a pot of exactly $12 in a $2/4 game and profit more than $6, but I didn't take this to mean "not including heads-up pots".

Yeah I get the concept of average tip per hand, it's just not what was asked (obviously, or "$12 [pot]" would be a nonsensical answer).

I went to college, and $15 a down is not out of line. $30 an hour would be perfecto.

That's probably what you're already taking down. You probably just have bad habits, like many dealers do, if you're not making enough money.

As I recall it, he was asked what the smallest pot would be where he'd expect a dollar. And he answered $12. Which if that's the bottom of his range, it doesn't seem so unreasonable to me. Let's ask him what the largest pot would be where he'd still be happy with $1 and then decide if he's still taking an unreasonable percentage of the winner's profits.

A 'down' is typically a 30 minute session a Dealer spends at one table in most larger rooms/casinos. In the charity room scene you typically have the same Dealer for 'hours' thus the term 'down' really doesn't apply.

What a lot of folks forget is that Dealers don't necessarily deal 16 downs in an 8 hour day. There is 'brush' time and they also get sent home early if the room isn't busy. They also deal tournaments which may or may not be at a different hourly rate and certainly may not tip on the same pace as a cash table. Charity room tournament Dealers may not get any tips unless they deal the Final Table ... they have to earn their way up the ladder and into the cash tables where the 'real' money is at!

A poker player may see a Dealer get as much as $20-30 in a down and make some incorrect assumptions about their 'true' hourly rate on pay day. GL

when i see dealers cashing out at the borgata they typically are cashing out around 175-200 dollars minimum and most of these dealers suck

Can you cut this armchair economist ****? The minimum wages in Nevada and California are $8.25 and $10.50 per hour respectively. There isn't a bullpen of stellar dealers eager to work for just over 1.6x poverty when the current dealers go do something else for more money.

And lol at looking at the median income as a barometer for how much money one profession should make, like if it were higher than $60k per household than they would "deserve" more.

This is crazy. I have never dealt, but I have played a lot of poker and believe dealing would be a very stressful job, both mentally and physically. You must not have played much live poker if you think this. (I can also gather you haven't if you don't know what a "down" is.) I recommend you read some of the breakroom thread.

I imagine competent dealers in Nevada must do very well assuming your hours are consistent. Regardless of that fact, dealing is 100 percent a very stressful job. You're dealing with people who are often times drinking, losing money, uneducated, etc while trying to keep focus on everything that is going on. I've never dealt but from a player perspective I can see that easily.

Good dealers on good shifts at busy casinos do pretty well. If you're dealing morning shift in a half dead room where there is sometimes no game and sometimes one or two tables of nits grinding nit promos (aces cracked, weekly freeroll, etc) you're probably not doing great.

Few dealers are full time, most are underemployed or juggling multiple part time gigs.

There is a high burnout rate in this job. If it were stress free I don't imagine that would be the case.

Yes, you pretty much said that already. Now all you're doing is insulting the many dealers that frequent these pages. Remember a couple things if you would please. One, "stress" is different for different people. Some people don't face any stress in their entire lives. Some have stress ordering take-out. Two, you've clearly never dealt poker and aren't terribly knowledgeable about what it involves (not knowing what a "down" is).

Tipping is for services rendered in certain jobs that embody service for customers. Waitresses. Taxi drivers. Caddies. Casino dealers. Many others. These jobs do not typically pay minimum wage or better from the employer. That fact is well-known by customers of that industry. Is it the best way of running those businesses? I don't know. But that's how they are run. If you choose not to tip, that is certainly your business. I should expect that you treat all of these types of service employees in the same manner. If you don't you're a hypocrite and you discriminate. But either way, I expect that you'll get the service that you're paying for.

You want some half stoned/hungover college kid dealing a 2/5, 5/T, or PLO game at your casino?

Smoke,

Your hot takes are really exposing that you probably really have no idea how things work in general. You sound like a 19 y.o. that plays at Turning Stone and thinks they have the world figured out, but haven't even had a real job yet.

I'll just take your last 'college-kid' comment as an example. I literally can't recall ever having a college kid dealing in a casino or anywhere else for that matter. Not once.

That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.