Isn't it great? Expected to tip to win your own damn money back, minus taxes.

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$1 per big pot.

If I was to tip anything for those micro c-bet pots, the game would never be beatable, not even in the short run.

Usually a few percent. Same goes for bad beat jackpots and tourneys that already set aside funds for the dealers.

for promo that has a w2-g: deduct 30% from the payout and tip 2% off that.
so $700 net.

2% is ~$15

for those playing in California, how much do you plan to tip now that the state just passed a new min wage of $15/hr for all working in that state? (includes waitresses and poker dealers)

if they think 5 is a stiff give them 0

I'll tip the same.

The Cali min wage isn't going to $15 overnight:

2016 $10
2017 $10.50
2018 $11
2019 $12
2020 $13
2021 $14
2022 $15

I'm not in cali, but I assume their answers depends on how much rake goes up/ if they are playing at a casino with human dealers.

Yeah, sort of seems odd to give 30 or w/e just to make sure they don't consider you a stiff on discretionary compensation.

I mean if they had to check the cameras and wait an hour to pay the high hand then 5 is pretty bad.

Otherwise the dealer should be happy with 5 for dealing one hand.

If they have to check cameras and wait an hour, then 90% of the toke should go to the floor doing all the extra work. The dealer still dealt one hand and went onto the next.

For BBJ (at least in my room) the next hand can't begin until verified. It only FEELS like it takes an hour though. :P

min wage effects card clubs but not casinos. Casinos have their own tribal law. So if the place has slots no min wage.

Except for the fact that the most floor do almost nothing the rest of the time and still collects tips. I would love to have their job but you need to be a dealer first. There was a player who was threatening everyone at the cage saying he would come back and shoot them. Very obvious case where the floor needs to call security and maybe the cops. Instead both floor literally ran away. Luckily another player called security.

Well, like the saying goes, dealer >> floor >> door, but maybe jus a lil hyperbole on your part? If the floor doesn't do anything special/particular for you, then don't tip.

Dealer is not responsible for the process taking so long. Floor is already being paid a non-tipped wage for doing the job that includes "all the extra work".

I'll admit that I sound like I'm biased toward advocating paying a dealer for "time missed", but it's only in defense of your arbitrary idea of giving that money to the floor instead. (just tip the dealer what you would have for the bonus/hand. I don't know why you would advocate redistributing the tip away from the dealer unless you have a general grievance with tipping dealers)

You (used to?) floor before you dealt. If someone threatens to shoot everyone I suggest you both call 911 and consider never playing there again. Also, if I am a floor and someone threatens to shoot me I am running away Usain Bolt style. I'll do my best to get security alerted as I'm running but sorry I'm priority #1.

It's not my "arbitrary idea." The guy said if it takes the floor an hour to pay out to go through video etc... I assume the floor time it takes to payout doesn't impede game play at the table since stopping rake for an hour doesn't make any sense for a bonus payout of a few bucks. It was mostly tongue-in-cheek sarcasm that the floor needs to actually work for an hour to payout a promotion.

It is amusing, though, how some dealers read what they want to read here. My last several posts have been talking about optimal tipping methods that increase a dealer's overall tips, but yeah, those you just zoom right through since they align with your personal objectives, and as soon as I make another impartial opinion that puts the tip in another worker's pockets, I must have a grievance with tipping dealers... awesome.

Read your response to rush and then my post with the wrong impression that rush was talking about holding the game up for an hour to do the payout (like when a bad beat hits or whatever, it was all hypothetical anyway)

We weren't on the same page. I take back my negative vibes <3 I actually was surprised because you've very much been pro-dealer for quite some time now (maybe always?). My knee jerk response was amplified by my confusion about how you could do a 180 like that.

I just got back from a trip to Firekeepers Casino in Battle Creek, MI and some of the dealers there are incredible, and they have shuffling machines, so a pretty high hands/h is achievable. Playing 1|2 NL, I tracked one dealer for most of his down and he was on track to about 48 hands/h, and he wasn't even the best dealer there (although close). Almost every hand at least saw a flop and most hands were raised and multi-way, and included at least one hand with big action (multiple all-ins with a side pot). Even the slowest dealers probably still get 30 hands/h.

I timed the pitch of the fastest dealer in the poker room and from the first card to last card out, it took him 4.6 seconds to deal hands to a full table of 9 players (seat one was the SB, though, which helps a little)

The pitch speed, game control and attentiveness of the dealers there is impeccable, with even the worst ones being quite good.

Beat me to it, but only if they are unappreciative. Or give it to the one that did the paperwork instead. They won't think you're a stiff I bet.

Borg23. The conversation was between LOL and borg23.

You tracked most his down, eh? Maybe I've been playing TD mix for too long now, but I think you will still not find a single dealer that will say he can put out 20 hands a down in a typical full-ring NL game, but you say that a dealer was putting out a new hand every 75 seconds on average in a multi-way, heavy action NL game because the fastest dealer pitched a table in 4.6 seconds? I haven't seen 20 a down in full-ring, even in limit holdem games, since around 1998 early in the afternoon on a weekday. Maybe a suit will chime in with some current data from their Deck Mate machines.

Oops

I will get more data the next time I go down. Not much can be extrapolated about typical hands/hour for a particular dealer from tracking part of a single down, admittedly.

IDK if 4.6 seconds to pitch a table is noteworthy or just very good because I haven't played at very many places, but it impressed me so I felt like mentioning it. The dealers are not only fast, but control the game very well and make very few errors.