Tex, would you be kind enough to publish the scans? I'll gladly host said files for you if you'd like.

[I don't doubt you, I just think it'd put the issue to bed...]

I don't know what the big deal is phone numbers are listed for verification. if anyone really cares let them take the time to call. What is so unusual for casinos to take care of their employees?

First, let's deal with the last line of bold type.



Still looking for that proof. I highlighted the admission you made above of adding something to a quote, at least you admit it.

So for the last several hours you've been calling people to try to save face? If you already had the info and numbers and names of the people you spoke to, why did you not simply say..."I called these people and they verified such and such" Instead, you re wrote documents to make it look like it was announced. Then when I called you on the inconsistencies you called around to the poker rooms, hoping that you could get some back up.

Why not be up front when you posted before? You know, be honest?

I believe you NOW have the facts but you did re write "flyers" to make yourself look good, part of that deflection I mentioned earlier.

So let's get back to that since you passed on answering it before.

Want to explain how you knew that dealer got an injection and prescriptions if you wife didn't tell you?

And why you feel that dealer, but no one else, should tip your wife to get tax payer subsidised medical care?

BigTex is right, he spent a couple of hours finding these people to back him up. The least we could do is call them since I'm sure they aren't busy, you know, running their poker rooms.

I took the names and numbers from my phone and listed them here for verification or just call the casinos HR dept. if you don't trust the poker room managers to speak the truth. And the dealer in question works at Sams Town and told me he had the flu and that he got a shot and a script and had told my wife to say Hi to me. It seems dealers don't like to take PTO since they don't get tips only their hourly so they come to work sick at least here in Tunica.

Why make stuff up when you could have just said; "I saw these flyers and I called a couple of firneds and they told me this is what happened."

Instead, you quote things I could find online and act as if they are gosple when in fact, you doctored them, creating doubt.

BTW, I used the same link twice above. The link to the article on Boyd Gaming is here.

http://www.lvrj.com/business/mississ...121412933.html

See what I did there BigTex, I realized I made a mistake, admitted it and corrected the error.

It didn't hurt at all.

People never can admit they were wrong...now i put in a post yesterday saying that stacking radios for a living shouldn't be grounds for not tipping when winning hands....I guess I was out of line.

But 99.9 percent of the excuses I hear on why they don't tip still make me come to the sAme conclusion....just stay home

You are still out of line.

Hey bigtex, you were just owned by DealerGuy. Time to come clean and admit that your evidence was false.

But no matter what you do, your credibility will always be in doubt here. All you can do now is limit the damage.

By "false", if you mean he edited the press releases without indicating that he did, you are right.

If by "false" you mean that the properties did not include compensation for lost tokes, where is your proof that they didn't? (Besides the fact that one of them is owned by CET)?

Not that i care to play lawyer, but frommagio did say the evidence was false, not the point supported by it.

I was playing at a Venetian 5/10 NL game 2 weeks ago... an amateur player in his 50s won a 1500 dollar pot n threw the dealer a 10 dollar chip n said "chop" ... the dealer just threw the chip back to him n said keep it or something along those lines..

I thought that was pretty absurd of her.. hate it when dealers expect an x amt of tip based on pot size

Well, yes. Are you actually being serious? With 8,000 posts? I would have thought that would be obvious to the most casual reader, but let me know if you're in doubt.

As a general rule, when one has a legitimate point to make, it can be done without faking the evidence.

But maybe I'm just old-fashioned. Have standards really fallen that low?

Hey Angus - Let me also say that most of your posts in this thread are respectable and solid, and I also think ThePalimax has great insight. So it's not as if I'm Q/Q the dealer, raising my middle finger to the players who support me. I'm a player, and a well-tipping player, but I'm interested in the discussion.

But when you make a moronic post, you should understand that people are going to laugh at you, and discount your other more lucid posts. But at 8,000 posts, you really should know that by now. So what's the story? Why play the fool?

Think about it.

No sure what any of that has to do with what I said to you.

You just want someone to tell you it's ok to be cheap with your tips. Just do what you can afford. If your winrate is that poor, and 1 dollar on 100+ is all you can do, the dealers will still appreciate it.

You'll be remembered in that room as a fairly lousy tipper, but at the end of the day, you holding back a dollar or 2 per down really won't matter. We're only annoyed with you for about 10 seconds. Then you go on to the next hand and hope that a good tipper busts the cheap guy.

This is from 5 years experience (or 3 weeks, depending on who you ask).

I'll tell u being cheap and a lousy tipper(tipping everyother hand stiffing on back to back pre-flop steals, taking a very long time to call win a huge pot and toss the dollar chip way up in the air and let it bang off the shuffle master) do all these things and come off as a "cheap stiff" watch how everything will go against u....(border line string bets forward motions and every other little thing.....

In my opinion it's just cheaper to tip decent then to be a stiff.....hope I don't get infraction points for this but I'm just speaking the truth any dealer will agree on this

That's a very broad definition of stiffing.

Broad yes...accurate very much so

If a tournament has a percentage that is set aside for dealer tips, should you still tip if you win? I am curious because your already taking a hit on the prize pool with the dealer tips.

Edit:

Would also like to know about add ons that go strictly to tip the dealers/floor. Do you tip then if you win, knowing that if you lose you still tip?

Al 'Sugar Bear' Barbieri gave a pretty harsh take on a few WSOP Stud dealers and their mechanics, then later finished up by saying most of the dealers are very good. He also stated the amount of money they're raking from entry fees he expects good dealers.

There probably isn't a profession which doesn't have a number of stellar standouts, along with a number of complainers and sub par performers. We all need to realize this will never change. So expect good performance from some, poor from others, and tip as you see fit.

We barely make anything from dealer add ons. Those are just to make sure we don't deal tournament downs for "free" if none of the winners tip.

The problem with dealer add ons are the fact you still tip if you lose. The casinos should pay a little extra for the dealers for tournaments. Yet they lobby to get a percentage of the prize pool set aside for tips. They also want you to tip an additional amount if you win. Tipping is worst in tournaments vs cash games. I wonder if it has to do with the fact that a lot of people pay taxes on their winnings. Tipping is a deduction from winnings but is not tax deductible. Poker players get screwed by tipping and paying taxes. I would rather they take a certain portion of the prize pool and set it aside for the dealers. This way players do not get screwed twice.

I guess they do add ons so players feel like they're not tipping for nothing. You, at least, get something out of it.

It works out better for dealers when x amount is taken from the buy-ins + winners tipping. I like your idea.

Etiquette on tipping when min cashing a tourney (WSOP)? I dont understand why its necessary, but i guess players do it. Whats the proper etiquette?

Tip or don't tip, it's a personal decision. No one should tell another person whether or not to tip or how much to tip.