But what if I don't like solitaire?

go to barnes and noble and buy harrington on solitaire then you will be crushing it

And you think it is a good thing tips are expected there?

I would hate using a valet for my car even if they tipped me for it! Never understood why people like it.

(Yes, I did make a typo the first time...)

The valet is safer and leaves you right in front of the place. I don't care more about my car than I do myself and I've never encountered a problem with valet in 20+ years. And I like to tip.

A reasonable guess, but in this case you'd be wrong. This jackpot is hit a few times a week and is on the small side, with the big share usually less than $15,000. And I wouldn't "show up a week later" as I play about six nights a week. As I said before, tip pooling applies ONLY to tips on BBJs. No one's getting in trouble for receiving a $100 toke from a player, during their down, just because that player happens to be one of several who hit a BBJ recently, especially if it's not the dealer who dealt it.

But aren't you only giving that tip because you hit the BBJ? Then it *is* a BBJ-related tip. You're just "structuring" your tips to circumvent their policy.

One of the reasons behind my decision to tip someone $100 may be because I hit the BBJ (the other reason being that I appreciate the effort they put into being a good dealer,) but I'm still not tipping on the BBJ. If you don't understand the difference, try putting yourself in the following situation: You're an employer who has just fired one of the dealers I tipped, and you're now being sued for unlawful termination. Now prove to the judge that that your employee violated your BBJ tip rule.

I'll throw some fuel on this fire...

A few years ago a coworker dealt a hand that resulted in a player winning a big jackpot, somewhere in the neighborhood of 50k. The player was not a regular and had no apparent knowledge of the customs of this room. He left the dealer a 25 dollar tip and then gave 25 to every other dealer in the room.

As word got out in the breakroom of the dealer's 25 dollar tip, an agreement was quickly made for every dealer to voluntarily give their 25 to the dealer who was actually on the table. I think all but 1 or 2 dealers went along with this "sacrifice".

I don't see anything wrong, controversial, or bad about that. The player was being nice to all the dealers and the dealers decided amongst themselves that they wanted to do something with the money once it was theirs. Maybe I'm missing something though.

This almost redeems your for the ridiculousness you posted before. 9/10.

What % do you think a dealer should get for a bad beat jackpot?

That's pretty cool of them. How many $25 tips did it end up being? It may still add up to a reasonable tip size on a $50k jackpot.

It's also a small indicator of how dealers genuinely view what they deserve in a BBJ situation. They didn't just have this view only when it benefited them.

minimalist,

perhaps it is you who is projecting here, because i actually like your policy!

and when i used the word "like," i obviously meant in the context of being a good dealer, not a hot flirty gurl

as far as what lattimer is saying, let's be honest, your system is a method of bbjp-tips-that-are-supposed-to-be-pooled structuring, even if it cannot be proven. you would not ordinarily tip a dealer $100 for any winning hand; what you are suggesting is using the table to give a bbjp tip under the guise of a regular tip, rather than handing it off in the bathroom

^100%^

You said the player wasn't a reg and didn't know what was "expected" of him so he thought he was doing something nice for the dealers and shouldn't be criticized. How the other dealers acted was awsome. You didn't say how big the room is, but if it's a very big room, that could've been a large sum of money.

Then try internet poker- no tipping expected.

how about this one, about a year ago around 2 am a player a goes broke when his quads get cracked throws cards stomps out of pokeroom then a employee chases him down to let him know he just won bbj I dont remeber the exact amount but i think it was around 125k of course after he got his share he stiffed the dealer.THANKS FOR PLAYING SIR !!!

Right. And I haven't expressed disapproval of it either, in fact I'll be honest, I might do something similar. Although I always argue for strict adherence to the rules (because that's what's "right"), I don't always practice what I preach - I'm no saint.

I just want him to be honest about what he's doing - he's willfully violating the casino's policy (the spirit, if not the letter) because he can get away with it (of course employer can't prove it).

This is yet another ethics thing. What I find most interesting about this rare one is that you're actually happy that they implement a rule you disagree with - this doesn't happen often.

And there is the key. It can never be proven, and therefore the employee can't be punished for it. And I don't see it as structuring if I decide to share my good fortune with people that were not even involved in it. I'd probably do the same thing if I scored a huge lottery win. Structuring would be tipping the dealer who dealt the BBJ $100 a week for ten weeks. (But if I wanted to do that, I would just tip that dealer an extra five bucks per winning hand for the next year or so.)

Uh, oh, we've got caps here....

You have no idea what my tipping policy is. What I said to you holds true for all of them as well, but most who work for tips, I think, understand this. You seem to be having a problem with it. Some people stiff; some people are very lavish, but most fall in between. Get a different job if you can't cope with it.

I'm not violating any policy or rule. The policy applies to the employees. There are no signs (at least not in the public area) saying "All BBJ Tips Will Be Pooled" and it is never mentioned publicly. I only found out because a floor was privately telling me a related story. And the spirit of the rule, in my opinion, is to make a dealer who deals a BBJ and recieves a huge tip share it with all other dealers*, not to prevent a player from handing out moderately sized tips to whomever he pleases.

If any dealer I tip is as strict about following the rules as you are, they are free to turn in the money. Of course you have the advantage of knowing that I'm doing it because I hit the BBJ, and they don't. They may figure it out, but they may well not, because, as previously mentioned, this jackpot is hit several times a week.

*And I do mean ALL. As I understand it, BBJ tips are now shared with every dealer on the payroll, not just the ones on duty.

Well, the guy won the jackpot, so paying him is the right thing to do. It also would be unfair to the rest of the table to let him walk out or void the jackpot. Him being a stiff has nothing to do with the casino doing the right thing.

You sound like a real peach, though. I'm betting that you can't turn your inner disgust off when you are in the box but likely think you do a great job of hiding it.

I will start by saying not over 10%
I agree that there should not be a certain %
some examples
player share tip amount
750 .... 50-75
1500 .... 100-150
5000 .... 300-500
7500 .... 400-700
10K .... 600-800
20-50K ... 1500-3000
this is just a estimate alot depends on the room. If your room is full of regs than this should be close.
remember this is just my opinion feel free to to tip your favorite dealers over 10%

that's why i said i liked his policy!

For one im not a dealer but I do pay attention on how dealers are treated and sometimes I dont know how they put up with the garbage they have to.

I like how you ended by saying this is your opinion, but only mentioned to feel free to tip over your bogus 10% line.

yes you are missing something tipping 25 bucks on a 25k share of a jackpot is a joke if you think this is standard take up golf.Oh and dont forget to tip the guy who cleans your clubs for you at the end of your round.